In this episode of the Supply Chain Buzz, powered by OMNIA Partners on Supply Chain Now, Scott and Greg welcome Mike Griswold to the show, as they discuss the top news in supply chain this week.

Intro/Outro (00:00:03):

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Scott Luton (00:00:31):

Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Scott Luton, Greg White with here on supply chain. Now welcome to today’s live stream, Greg, how are you doing?

Greg White (00:00:39):

I’m doing quite well. How are you Scott? Doing great.

Scott Luton (00:00:42):

I’ll tell you. We’re going to blow Gary Smith.

Greg White (00:00:45):

I know we keep flip-flopping, you know, it’s okay. It’s it’s okay. Where, you know, the seasons are changing times are changing. Uh, have you noticed that the days are getting shorter? I mean, it’s, it’s been happening for like a month and a half, of course, but it’s really noticeable now.

Scott Luton (00:01:04):

It reminds me of the saying, um, let’s see here. The days are long and the years are short as parents and, uh, of course our kids are back in school. The next grade flips into late summer, the seasons continue to evolve. They’re

Greg White (00:01:18):

Heading into a full week back at school. Aren’t they? Tomorrow is a week.

Scott Luton (00:01:23):

Yes, that’s right. It’ll be what may have been two weeks by now. I’m not sure. Um, but regardless before long, we’re going to be going year round. We’re going to

Greg White (00:01:30):

Have to bring Amanda on again. So maybe

Scott Luton (00:01:35):

Today though, Greg. Yeah, the supply chain buzz right here on supply chain. Now every Monday, 12 noon Eastern time, you’re

Greg White (00:01:43):

Saying I’m going to start tuning in for that.

Scott Luton (00:01:47):

Join us for a fun look at fun and an informative look at some of the latest and greatest and most important news, uh, from really across global supply chain across global business. So, uh, today we’ve got a special guest, you know, we’ve got Mike Griswold from Gartner making his monthly appearance today as part of the buzz, he’ll be joining us about 1230 or so, um, to give us some of his key observations in terms of how the Delta variant Gregg is impacting global supply.

Greg White (00:02:16):

Yeah. Delta now Lambda right. Lambda coming out of Peru as well. Um, I don’t know if he’s going to talk about that, but innumerable variants, we will undoubtedly have. Right.

Scott Luton (00:02:27):

But you know, um, Mike is one of our favorite guests across it. Really. We hear from people far and wide about his ability to cut through the noise and tell you what you should be tracking and help you understand it better. And, uh, so we look forward to his appearance here today. Um, today’s show Greg is PowerBar friends over at Omnia partners where they are reshaping the future of purchasing. Tell us more. Yeah,

Greg White (00:02:52):

Well group purchasing organization strong on group. Right? I think that the key thing we’ve seen be so powerful for companies and I think really necessary, especially now is why stand alone. Right? It just seems like having the power of community is so necessary these days. And you know what I like about having haven’t talked to era and all of the other folks, Kevin Heath, of course, all the folks at Omnia is it’s not just about negotiating power. It’s about power to influence vendors. It’s about power to, uh, B get exposure to additional suppliers that you may not have ever heard of before. Right. And, um, and also to just as, as this conference that we’re going to in September is to join up and share ideas with fellow members of the community as well. It’s kind of like what we do here, except they don’t get to get on the air as much as we do

Scott Luton (00:03:56):

Well, right on time. Perfect segue. Greg talked about the conference. We’re going to be out in September, down in Miami, Florida, September 27th to 29th. It is connections 2021. So yes, it’s free to attend. If you’re in supply chain sourcing or purchasing. If you’re a leader in those sectors, keynotes, expos, networking a whole lot more. They’re expecting about 400 plus attendees. Wow. And we’re going to be broadcasting live right there in my Miami. It’s going to be hard for

Greg White (00:04:24):

Us to find a seat, Scott, we better get there early

Scott Luton (00:04:27):

A kid. There’ll be football season by then. Um, which we’ll save that for another discussion. But yes, come join us at a, at a minimum tune in to the live stream. We’re gonna be broadcast in the buzz on that first day and then conducting interviews for the remainder of the week. You can learn more by checking out the link in the show notes and we’d invite you to come join us down there in Miami. Great, great stuff. Put on by our friends at Omnia park.

Greg White (00:04:54):

That’s right. Four things to remember learn network, grow Miami

Scott Luton (00:05:00):

That’s right. New hashtag new hashtag. I love that. Speaking of events, Greg, let’s see here a big webinar coming up with our friends at Quip, talking to you about their omni-channel evolution on August 18th at 12 noon. Join us for that. You’re not going to want to miss Enron Patel’s story link show link to the, uh, registrations in the show notes and wait, there’s more, uh, supply chain and procurement global awards coming up on December 8th, registration, nominations, sponsorships, all open and as we’ve touted quite a bit we’re uh, all nomination feeds for folks that you want to nominate for. These global awards are being donated to our friends at hope for justice, which are working hard to eradicate slavery across the globe.

Greg White (00:05:49):

So that’s right. Not just hoping, acting right. Yes. Great. That was a great discussion.

Scott Luton (00:05:55):

Agreed. Supply chain ords.com. They’re conducted in a special partnership with our friends at buyers meeting point and art for procurement. So check that out and come join us and celebrate the successes across global supply chain. For sure. Okay. So Greg, uh, let’s say hello to a few folks.

Greg White (00:06:15):

You’re getting some props on your threads here.

Scott Luton (00:06:18):

Oh really? Yeah. How, how about there’ll be the only ones I’m hearing good things about my shirts. My kids have been lighting me up for days. I have they really, but you know what? That’s why I do it, Greg. We’ll see when you have me. I love to, um, I love to be the uncle dad with all three of my kids is so much fun, so,

Greg White (00:06:38):

So easy. Right?

Scott Luton (00:06:40):

I mean, it is natural for me, Greg, everyone.

Greg White (00:06:43):

It’s not, it’s not has nothing to do what you do, right. Just that they’re your kids. Uh

Scott Luton (00:06:49):

That’s right. It’s true. Nevus. Hello. Good morning. Great to have you here. Hope you and your family are doing well there in India. Ceria, Sariah. Uh, great to have you here via LinkedIn also from India. Welcome. Welcome. Pedro turned, uh, tuned in via LinkedIn. Hey, let’s know where you’re dialed in from Pedro. Oh. As Aliyah is back, Greg, this is one of our favorites as a layup. Talk about why it’s beyond her years of her comments from these live streams.

Greg White (00:07:16):

Yeah, no doubt. And uh, just remember on your panel today, everyone wants you to succeed. That’s all you need to remember.

Scott Luton (00:07:25):

All right. Hey, good luck. As late. You’re going to knock your head, knock it out of the park, undoubtedly. So let us know how it goes. Mervin is back with us from our Lynn Mervyn. Hello. Great to see you look forward to your contributions today. Jenny Froome, ours are getting hotter and a bit talking about the day.

Greg White (00:07:42):

That’s right. It’s spring in South Africa. Yeah. So yeah,

Scott Luton (00:07:47):

Greg, I think today in South Africa is, uh, Wednesday, I believe. Oh, is that right? And Jenny, Jenny sharing on social and sh and, and Jenny, please drop it in the links here say picks has had, I think four, um, presidents, all the happened to be female and we carefully positioned that, but they were celebrating that, that, uh, pedigree and, and that heritage there. So Jenny congrats, we celebrate with you, uh, love all your leadership and, uh, please share those, uh, uh, related links in the comments today. Gary. I T I knew we’d get him.

Greg White (00:08:25):

Yeah, we did get him. I saw that right away.

Scott Luton (00:08:27):

Great to see Gary. Hey, congrats. Just keeping you on your toes, Gary. That’s right. Uh, congrats on some recent round of interviews. You’ve had all related to that great article. You published a few months back, so hope this finds you. Well, Gary, Venay the NY, uh, uh, Vinay, I bet, uh, via LinkedIn. Great to have you here. Let us know where you’re tuned in from Venay of course, clay and Jayda and Allie, and Amanda are all behind the scenes making production here today. I appreciate all that they do.

Greg White (00:08:58):

Dame-o is back. He is back

Scott Luton (00:09:02):

DEMA. Right? Tell us what you’ve been up to down in, man. Um, Hiraeth via LinkedIn. Great to have you here. Tell us where you’re tuned in from as well. Welcome everybody. Uh, AA Mohit professor Mohib is in the house from Wichita, Kansas. And finally, thank you, Tom. I appreciate that Greg. Wasn’t with me. Yeah. Um, you know, uh, I have, uh, as we have been gardening in the backyard, uh, it’s dawned on me as I really have enjoyed all the different flowers with trying to attract butterflies, how boring, boring as to quote Chris Barnes. My wardrobe is so we’ve tried to live it up so much by we,

Greg White (00:09:43):

You mean you force, right. Kids are not contributing to that. They’re only judging. Yes, that’s right. That’s right. I think you got more prompts than that. It seems like I skipped over a few problems Miguel, on kale. I think he had, yeah. Yeah. Tim that’s right. That’s right. And finally, Hey, it’s a good t-shirt though. It’s old. It’s vintage. Right? So, Hey,

Scott Luton (00:10:07):

Welcome everybody. Including Kim winner tuned in from Dubai, uh, where he says, it’s always something it’s always summer. Yes. I love that. All right. Uh, and by the way, Kim’s putting out some great content via his vodcast. Uh, maybe we can drop the link in the comments with the logistics executive group. All right. So Greg, we’ve got to get to work and the hello, everybody. We got to get to

Greg White (00:10:28):

Work, right? Yeah, let’s do it. We got to get Mike in and out of here. I mean our special secret guests in and out of here relatively quick. So he has got

Scott Luton (00:10:38):

Tufts schedule, but we got 20 minutes to tackle some news of the day. And then we’re going to get to Mike Griswold with Gartner about 1230. So up first, we’re talking about how Vietnam is dealing with a surge in COVID-19 infection. So Greg Vietnam has become one of the busiest manufacturing cities in the world, especially for clothing and footwear. As a financial times reports here, the country is one of the few Asian economies that continued to grow and attract foreign investment. Uh, in 2020, despite the pandemic, a recent surge of COVID-19 has the industry they’re in the country, reeling factories in Vietnam, that supply, uh, companies like Adidas and Nike, where they’ve, uh, suspended production for now Samsung, one of the country’s biggest employers has had, uh, is smartphone supply chain, uh, disrupted extensively in recent months, right? The Vietnam textile and apparel association says that about 30% of all the factories supporting garment and textile sectors in the country have been shut down.

Scott Luton (00:11:37):

So while Vietnam continues to deal with, uh, the, the resurgence of COVID-19, we’re having a come from a mixed bag of news here in the states, Greg, the back to school scramble has begun. Just like we talked about, uh, last Monday as Amanda joined us, right. We’re talking about back to school. So the good news is it’s not quite light last year, you know, a year ago, but we’re certainly not, it’s not normal back to school times either. Um, so CNBC reports that according to a new survey by first insight, shoppers are getting a bit more anxious about going to physical stores for the back to school shopping. Some consumers are also cutting expenses in general, the Delta variant here in the U S may will slow down what was predicted to be a very strong back to school season. Uh, Greg Deloitte had originally projected spending to reach $32.5 billion in 2021. That would have been up 16% from last year. Other companies, Greg has an article points to such as bed bath and beyond say that spending will continue to be there. It just will be delayed and we’ll push into September. So kind of a mixed bag on the front end here between Vietnam and some of the stuff we’re seeing here in the states, Greg, what say,

Greg White (00:12:55):

I think that’s going to be a common refrain. You know, we’re, we’re talking about Delta, but we have this Lambda variant coming out of Peru as well. So w we’ll continue to see variants coming out. And I think, you know, what we’ve got to figure out is how to, how to manage that. But all of that is going to impact the supply chain. We’re going to talk a little bit about that with Mike, when he comes on the impact that it has had. Um, you know, Vietnam has been a key, that’s been a key outlet for companies who want to get out of Jinja province, which Nike and, and, uh, H and M and Audie dos have been, have been at the forefront of that. Trying to do that, which I think I announced yesterday last week that I’m now wearing adios again, since they are out of gen Jong province, no longer contributing to slavery. [inaudible],

Greg White (00:13:48):

um, that’s, that’s, that’s their, that was their original marketing theme, the brand with three stripes, that’s, that’s German marketing at its best. Um, but, but the capacity in, in Vietnam is constrained pretty significantly, especially compared to China and with this happening. Um, it’s, you know, it’s going to be a struggle. There are a lot of companies moving physical production of not just soft lines, like apparel and shoes, but other products and technical products out of China to Vietnam as well. So, and then of course, back to school, which, uh, Amanda, let us know that you all are pretty much through this season and, and, um, thankful for some of the help you got from your school district, which was pretty cool, but other schools, I mean, a lot of schools, particularly in the north, they don’t go back to school until labor day, right? So this is a long season. This isn’t as compact, even as Christmas season in the U S this is a big long peak season and still a lot of, of demand to come. So agreed. You know, I imagine there will be a lot of masks and hand sanitizer going to school with the kids this year, again, for those kids that do go back to school physically. Yeah,

Scott Luton (00:15:05):

I agree. We’re, we’re certainly living live in that for sure. Um, but you know, it is good. Um, early marks, uh, have, uh, you know, we’re big raving fans of educators out there that are finding a way to navigate through these times. I mean, a heart goes out, we’ve all seen the stories of, of, you know, the school boards and educators getting braided, but, you know, they’re, they’re kind of stuck in a, in, in a rock and a hard place, right. Trying to get good scientific advice from, you know, the powers that be while, you know, making sure that our most precious treasures are, are cared for. Right. So kudos to all those wonderful teachers out there doing, doing great work. Um, all right. Really quick, Kelly Barner host of Dow P for procurement is with us today from Boston, Massachusetts, uh, via LinkedIn. Great to see Kelly looking forward to your hearing, some of your comments here.

Scott Luton (00:16:00):

Um, all right. So Greg moving from one topic to another topic, uh, the infrastructure. So it looks like the us Senate is going to pass and give the $1 trillion infrastructure bill to the house. Now, before I turn over to Greg and I need to go grab my fire extinguisher, perhaps before we could get Greg’s take on this. Um, so it’s, it’s been reported that this massive bill is at 27,000 pages already, and the negotiations and amendments are still taking place. Now, what Senate? I’m not sure really anybody knows specifically, except maybe the attorneys that are drafting legislation, but just

Greg White (00:16:43):

The classic. We have to pass it before we can read it. Didn’t we hear that from a prominent representative once

Scott Luton (00:16:50):

Perhaps, but, um, the good news is, you know, the points that most, that most everyone agrees need to be addressed are this roads, bridges, broadband, internet, hope they get some, uh, meaningful action to tackle the digital divide, water pipes, and other public works systems. But beyond that, the jury is still out in some of the most contentious negotiations have been on the topic, of course, how to pay for it all. So, um, but again, I’ll point you to good news here, Greg, turn it over to you. It does appear to be highly bipartisan to this point. Um, so, so some action is going to get done. It’s just, it probably is. What else is in all buried perhaps in the $27,000, 27,000 pages of legislation, but you’re taking care of Greg.

Greg White (00:17:40):

Yeah, I wouldn’t go as far as to say, something’s going to get done. Money will get spent. Um, and you know, as we talked about before, there is an incredible amount of funding for infrastructure already in the states, and it is largely wasted, um, or spent on pet projects. So hopefully part of the bill is to be more directive of these funds because a trillion dollars is a thousand billions, okay. That is a thousand billion dollars or a million million dollars. It’s, you know, we’re getting up there now where it’s real money. So I think we need to put a little bit more accountability into some of these bills, if they’re this big, certainly you cannot argue that we, uh, you cannot argue that we don’t need to improve infrastructure. In fact, I was on a run this morning and I saw this enormous pothole and by enormous, I mean, as long as my leg, that wasn’t there on our road a week ago.

Greg White (00:18:50):

So, um, you know, it’s crumbling and crumbling fast in various areas at the same time, we’ve had a lot of, uh, of progress, but yeah, certainly needed, I don’t know if a trillion dollars is needed. It’s so hard to gauge because the previous money was so either misspent or completely wasted, but it is certainly, um, certainly topical and we know that our infrastructure infrastructure can be improved. Scott, we talk about it all the time. Where are truckers going to sleep? If we spent a trillion dollars on expanding, you know, roadside, um, oh my God, I totally lost, lost my train of thought that, you know, like, like turnouts and stuff were drive, drivers could just sleep safely. Right. It would be worthwhile.

Scott Luton (00:19:43):

He says, you know, I believe the infrastructure bill we pass when he sees it. Uh, Tim says we’ll be big for jobs, but it is about 10 years late. In addition to us, infrastructure requires updating, not just rebuilding and updating. And then speaking of the money, Greg, uh, once the $1 trillion legislation is passed, we’ll see Gary, um, they’re moving to a 3.5 trillion, uh, package for childcare. So we’ll see, um, from here, but Hey, uh,

Greg White (00:20:12):

Where will the money come from? Let me just tell you we’ll just borrow more.

Scott Luton (00:20:18):

Well, uh, we got to keep our act, our pulse, our finger on the pulse to your point, uh, what action gets done, what gets completed. Right. Um, so we’ll see.

Greg White (00:20:29):

Well, and so, I mean, and let’s, I mean, let’s just twist twisted in to some perspective here. And that is right now, the federal government is borrowing money at nearly zero interest rates. So if ever there was a time to, to borrow now, is that right? Because, you know, if, if we’re going to owe money to the citizens who hold a huge proportion of the bonds and, and treasury bills that, that the government, um, issues then better to own it really, really low interest. So,

Scott Luton (00:21:08):

Um, all right. And your FOD says, this is way too much for me to handle Greg on the left of my screen, Scott, on the right. I can’t deal with this change, their font really. I’ve enjoyed your pictures with your family, uh, at the beach on social, uh, this week, when

Greg White (00:21:24):

We come back with Mike, we’ll try to flip it again, just to confuse everyone.

Scott Luton (00:21:29):

How’s that Renee Scott we’ll stay away from these beautiful shirts due to COVID-19, major’s complete shutdown and clothing factory, and they’d be in Vietnam. That’s a disruption of supply chains. Great point. Um, all right. So, uh, and Tim says, as long as we have checks, we have money. Right? Good point, Tim. Yeah, that’s right. So we’ve got we, we are going to move right ahead. Greg’s we’ve got to talk tackle, um, talk about a lot of big topics here today. So the United nations on Monday sounded the alarm big time alarm on the environment. So the UN’s intergovernmental panel on climate change release report that said greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere are currently at record levels that will ensure climate disruption for decades to come. If not, centuries, to come the UN secretary general, Antonio goody Erez called the report, a quote code red for humanity, the app PCC, which is the acronym for that panel draws on more than 14,000 scientific studies and was released about three months in advance of the UN CIP, 26 climate conference in Glasgow, Scotland. Now, Greg, on a related note, uh, you published, and that was all, that was a coordinator orders. You pull up publish a really neat piece today. What I’m calling them, supply chain, listen up POV on LinkedIn. You drop one about every, every weekday morning. Um, and this has already gotten a lot of response. So give us, give us a couple of fine points here.

Greg White (00:22:58):

Well, I think, you know, we all, whenever we talk about climate change and climate responsibility, we all point at someone else, whether you believe it’s real or you don’t believe it’s real, whether you think something needs to be done about it or nothing can be done about it, we’re all talking about somebody else. And I think the upshot of the article that I published today was really inspired me to think about who is responsible for climate change. And it is we, the consumers, each individual and our actions are what are responsible for it. We want our product faster, cheaper, better, right? We want convenience. We want comfort. We want luxury, right? We want all of those things. Um, and we want it all. And because we want all of those things, it comes from developing economies. It comes from Indonesia and India and China where some have not the ability to, to be more economically and, uh, sustainable.

Greg White (00:23:59):

And some just simply disregarded like in Indonesia and China. So I think when we recognize how much we as individuals contribute to that, um, you know, and you know, it’s funny, Scott is all this stemmed from a box about, or a, uh, an article about corrugated boxes and the recycling of corrugated boxes. And it had me thinking about all kinds of things, not, not even just sustainability, not even just climate change, but also all of the other ESG environmental, um, initiatives that, that, and other initiatives like someone in the comments of it mentioned human slavery and, um, you know, conflict minerals and all of those things. Well, why, why do all those things have to happen? Because we demand that they continue to happen by continuing to buy the goods. We vote with our wallets for unsustainable practices for inhumane practices. And that’s why we have to be very, very careful about what we buy and it’s worth the research.

Greg White (00:25:06):

Somebody said, it’s a virtual impossibility in the comments and it is, it’s very difficult. It is very difficult, but it’s worth it. It’s worth it. I watched an episode of billions Scott, where I love twice, twice, um, Chuck Rhoades said worth it. And he was talking about devastating consequences to himself. And both times he said worth it, it is worth it to, for us to, to think about and to research these companies and whether they’re doing good or not. And, and to vote with our wallets every time we, every time we buy something, we either make a vote for sustainability or for selfishness. And sometimes those two can coincide, but very, very rarely. So we need to be a little bit more conscious and, and, and you know what, it’s not a huge lift. Do what you can. I targeted one company, one company that I knew I could impact, right?

Greg White (00:26:06):

Because I bought, I have a favorite sport brand, ADI dos, they were PR they were bad actors, frankly, performing, you know, a lot of work in Xinjiang province where the workers are slaves. Um, and I chose not to, to use their, or buy their products for a long, long time. And, and they changed not because of me, certainly not because of little old me, but because enough people made them aware by voting with their wallets and they acted on it. So you, you are just one of seven plus billion people on the planet. Just imagine if one, 1000000th of the people on the planet picked, pick the cause or pick the company and targeted them with their wallets, right? Every one of us collectively could have, and it could have an influence on it.

Scott Luton (00:26:58):

Excellent point made. I love, I love the, your sentiment in the post love what you just shared there. It’s absolutely true. And, uh, cherry picking a couple of numbers here, just to check out article and supply chain dab. Now, to be fair, it was built. It was built from the account of the corrugated packaging point of view. However, is a great article and the Greg’s commentary was even better. But in the article, it says that the current recovery rate for plastics is below 10% while I’m falling and falling. It’s right. 90% of corrugated boxes are recycled is what the article states. So, but do your homework as Greg suggest, do your homework. And, uh, and you’re voting whether you like it or not. Um, Gary Smith says, as Pogo used to say, we have met the enemy. He is us. That’s right. Uh, Greg’s got a t-shirt isn’t here. He just said, we vote with our wallet for sustainability or selfishness. As Leah says, our monetary vote, we make everyday should be as important to us as our presidential vote. We cast every four years. In fact, I would say it’s more impactful, amen. To that excellent point, Vinay, the daily requirement of stuff we need in our daily life has increased by several folds. If we compare it to past generations, that is an excellent point. Um,

Greg White (00:28:12):

I think there’s a font. There is a more bright line between need and desire than any of us recognized. Right? And when I, when I think about my original description of supply chain and how simple supply chain is, I have a tomato, you want it? I hand it to you. You give me an Arrowhead beginning of supply chain, right? Hey, cave, dwellers, right? I think much about survival. The same way need is you need that tomato, or you want that tomato. Right. I think we really confuse desire and want with need. A lot of times we don’t need a two car garage. We don’t need a three bedroom house.

Scott Luton (00:28:51):

Well, let me just tell you, we have some delicious tomatoes from the Monroe farmer’s market.

Greg White (00:28:57):

That’s why we want them because they’re so delicious. But also that’s, I mean, that’s much, much more sustainable sky. That’s a small, small, organic farm, right, right. In your backyard. Agreed. So

Scott Luton (00:29:12):

Ginny Froome says you’re right, Greg and a change starts with us as well. Excellent point and one final one from there Fahd, he’s going to make a shoe made of water to avoid getting trashed on by Mr. Gregory White, uh, as Leah excellent point. We are less self-sufficient than our grandparents and great grandparents. That is an excellent point. Okay. So, so much to cover so much going on, you know, always too much for the hour we have here on the bus, but, um, certainly worth the price of admission, Greg.

Greg White (00:29:43):

Somehow we got through that in the, a lot of times, Scott, Hey, sometimes my best efforts,

Scott Luton (00:29:50):

We got to put it in a headlock and keep, keep on fighting through, but, uh, worth the price of admission today, here at the buzz, uh, free. And we offer a money back guarantee, but we’ve got Mike Griswold, vice-president analyst with Gartner joining us. Let’s bring Mike in. Hey, good afternoon, Mike.

Mike Griswold (00:30:12):

I am great. Thanks. Great. Uh, it’s nice to see the, this different, uh, this different format with you guys. It was great. Uh, and Scott put me down for one of those shirts. I bug my kids enough either. So yeah, that’s good. I like that. It’s a good, it’s a perfectly appropriate for the golf course, Mike. Right.

Scott Luton (00:30:31):

Well now getting Mike Griswold’s endorsement on anything is, is, uh, makes my week. So, uh, I’m gonna, I’m gonna share that with Amanda and the kids. So Mike, Hey, this is being

Greg White (00:30:46):

Recorded as a matter of fact. So you’ve got proof.

Scott Luton (00:30:49):

Hey, but uh, much more importantly, might kidding aside. Great to have you back. We love your appearances here. You’re able to cut through the nonsense and really, and help also explain all these, these complicating, uh, developments we see across industries.

Mike Griswold (00:31:04):

Thanks for having me. It’s great to always enjoy spending time with you guys, even you, Greg. Thanks. Did you notice we, uh, we’re flip-flopping and crazy new stuff. I’m just not that sharp. We’re just keeping you on your toes, man. Yeah. As long as I can see both of you, then that’s, uh, I’m off to a good start. That’s right.

Scott Luton (00:31:26):

And Mohib says good to see power

Greg White (00:31:28):

Hour, Mike. I like it. Wow.

Scott Luton (00:31:31):

All right. So Mike let’s, uh, we’re going to keep your appearance today. Pretty simple. I mean, with, uh, the Delta variant, um, raging in different markets, uh, really globally, of course, naturally is going to be impacting, uh, the supply chain industry. What are some of your observations, uh, as it relates to what we’re seeing?

Mike Griswold (00:31:51):

Yeah. And I, I caught the beginning part where Greg talked about maybe yet another variant. Um, you know, I think there were some discussions if we rewind the clock 12 to 18 months, I think there were some preliminary discussions around what happens if, if or when the virus mutates. Cause I think there were people a lot smarter than me, at least who kind of saw the variants were going to come. I don’t think anyone knew that they would kind of look like the Delta variant. And I think the challenge for organizations is we made a lot of really, really hard supply chain decisions at the beginning of the pandemic. You know, Greg, you talked about some of the challenges now in Vietnam, you know, the far east basically shut down, you know, people on the apparel industry in particular, you know, they, they, they cut orders.

Mike Griswold (00:32:41):

They, they told factories don’t make anything, even when factories could reopen, they were reopening with limited people. And I think people still have those kinds of thoughts and those types of actions that they took in their back of their mind. And now the question is, are we going to have to go through that again? And I think the supply chains for a lot of organizations just kind of got their feet under them over the last, probably three to four months. Um, you know, a little bit more recognizable demand signal, right? We’ve talked about that, um, for a couple of months, right? The unpredictability, the demand signal and the havoc that that created, um, during the height of COVID, I think people kind of started to get their feet under them. The demand signal looked a little bit more normal. The supply flows started to be a little bit more normal.

Mike Griswold (00:33:30):

And now all of a sudden we’ve got this Delta variant and I think people are worried, you know, do I need to make those same decisions? Again, are the parts of the world that effected me? Are they gonna affect me again two or three months from now? And I think trying to balance all of that in an environment where people Greg, you talked about, and I think you said it very well from a sustainability perspective, people can vote with their wallets around that. I think people are voting with their careers now around the work environment. What I mean by that is we have some research that suggests about 40 to 45% of a risk of the respondents in a survey that we conducted said, if they have to go back to the office, they’re going to find a new job. I mean, that, that was remarkable that people are voting to say, Hey, we can do the job remotely.

Mike Griswold (00:34:26):

We like doing it remotely. We can be successful. If you make us come back into the office, we’re going to go find someplace else. And I think that’s, if I think about the traditional things, we worry about the supply chain, right? Greg, you talked about demand and supply. I think we still need to work about, we still need to worry about that for sure. But I’ve got what I think I have my eye most on is what are some of the working conditions that people are gonna put in place in their organizations around their associates? Because there’s a lot of people who are looking to those decisions and they will make career choices based on that. And if we have people, I don’t want to say jumping ship, but if we have people bouncing around, I mean, that’s not good if you think about us in the Gardner world.

Mike Griswold (00:35:16):

Right. And I know the analyst world, I joke with clients all the time, the analyst world that I live in, doesn’t always reflect real life. But if you think about the real life world people, you know, changing jobs and having to learn new skills, that doesn’t happen overnight, right? If I’m a demand planner for a consumer products company and I, I, all of a sudden decide, I want to be a demand planner in a high tech company, right. Some of that is transferable, but not all of it. So that to me is what I’m most interested slash concerned to see what happens is how are organizations going to bring people back to work now that we’ve got this new variant? Yeah, we’ll go ahead, Scott.

Scott Luton (00:36:00):

Uh, I was just gonna say a quick blurb. You know, we’ve seen a, um, some across the board policies be put in place when it comes to the vaccinations and, and, but no real massive consensus yet. Um, we’ve also seen when it comes to, you know, just come, when it comes to masks and, and, uh, the ability of, of different, uh, agencies, municipalities, you name it to just even put in place a mask mandate, you know, lots of things are navigating through our courts now. So from a, just a, um, a landscape point of view, um, there’s not been one central, um, policy that we can point to, to benchmark. And, and then I would just add to this kind of this current survey, you know, uh, Greg, we’ve talked about this before that we talked about with Jenny from another day. Um, there’s not been that, that single beacon of truth when it comes to, uh, even some of the scientific reporting, which has been, uh, it’s tough for business leaders, but Greg, what else would you add?

Greg White (00:37:02):

Well, I mean, I think we’re going to continue to see disruption, not, not, I mean, in the supply chain itself, but also in the workplace. I mean, I think, um, Google, uh, not Facebook yet, but Google and apple have been met with a virtual mutiny in trying to force their employees back to the office. Right. Uh, ironic Lee, I think. Um, but I, I think there are so many options open to candidates out there, you know, they’re calling it the great resignation. I think a lot of people have taken stock of their lives and they’ve taken stock of their career and they’ve taken stock of what is reasonable and sensible to ask. And there are so many jobs that could just as easily be done, not all jobs by the way, but there are so many jobs that could just as easily, easily, and maybe more effectively be done at home from a home office and at a much lower cost for a lot of these companies.

Greg White (00:38:06):

Right. So, uh, you know, some of it comes down to, and we saw people talking about this, you know, comes down to tradition or micromanaging or control or things like that, but, or frankly, trust of your employees. And, uh, you know, and I think about really effective organizations like Gartner, where virtually everyone works remote and always has. Right. I think about so many companies that I’ve a part of where, you know, I worked effectively remote either from home or from the road and a few days in the office here and there. And then we tie it back to the sustainability effect. Think about how, how much impact that could have on carbon emissions. If people are staying home three to five days a week, rather than driving the average commute in, in Atlanta, for instance is 34 miles 34 miles that take about 62 minutes to, to traverse on a dry.

Greg White (00:39:12):

Right. And, and that is, I mean, think of the carbon emissions tied to an idling vehicle and a vehicle that is arguably going 20, 30 miles an hour the whole time. So, you know, there are a lot of impacts to think about here, not the least of which is employee satisfaction and it isn’t that the point. Mm. Yeah. Greg, I, I, there’s a couple of things, um, that, that I will always kind of picture in my mind. One is the, the, the, the map of air traffic before September 11th and then on September 11, when there was no air traffic, right. I have another visual that showed, um, one of the, and I can’t remember exactly which cities, but they showed kind of a before. COVID the, the atmosphere quality. And they showed like six weeks into COVID to your point where no one was going anywhere.

Mike Griswold (00:40:07):

And just the clarity of the scenery, the clarity of the sky was just remarkable by not having all those, those people on the road. Um, I think it was Kelly put a comment in there, you know, and Scott, you, you teed up around the vaccine, you know, w we’ve got some major debates here in just little old Idaho where we’ve got some companies that have mandated vaccines, uh, for their employees. You know, I saw a note, CNN fired three reporters who were not vaccinated, um, and tried to come into the office. You know, if you let people work from home, that vaccine requirement becomes, I think, less of a requirement, frankly, and more of a personal choice. Um, you know, and, and I know this show is designed really to talk about supply chain from the standpoint of, you know, moving boxes effectively, right? Your apple and arrow example.

Mike Griswold (00:41:02):

Um, Greg, but I think if we’re not careful, we’re not going to have anybody in these positions to move the apple in the arrow. So to me, I think it is a really important discussion around how organizations are going to go to market with their supply chain teams. And how far do you want to push some of these things like you have to be in the office, or you have to be vaccinated, know I’m not going to turn this into a vaccination discussion, but I think it is a question supply chain team supply chain managers have to ask themselves, is, am I willing to risk? Am I willing to risk losing people for some of these types of decisions? Um, because we are, I think as a supply chain, Greg, you said it very well, people have options, right? I can’t go anywhere. Literally I can not go anywhere and not see a help line inside. And this is, you know, 16, 18, $20 an hour. I was waiting, uh, driving back from the doctor’s office and there’s, um, a warehouse, um, that’s looking for cleaning crew, that’s going to start cleaning a warehouse $20 an hour. It’s like, okay, wow, you need a side hustle, man. I mean, it’s a, for a lot of golf, it would, it would,

Scott Luton (00:42:28):

Uh, Mike talked about Kelly’s comment, read that for anyone that might be listening to the replay, Kelly says as much as they want employees to come back to the office, companies may find that allowing qualified people to work from home is better than navigating the HR minefield. That is vaccine mandates. Excellent point completely. Yeah. Gary does as well now, Charles, you know, and, and, uh, we welcome the discussion and the debate, and there’s lots of smart people on all sides of this, this crazy time we live in Charles says local businesses though, are negatively impacted by work from home.

Greg White (00:43:03):

I wonder if he means retail businesses. Um, from that standpoint, I can tell you that the ACE hardware store near my house has been getting a lot more business because it’s a few minutes from my house. And then all of the small restaurants around that rather than driving so far, even being Scott as we were in the past in Atlanta, at the studio in Atlanta. Right, right. Given all of our money to station side, which was money well spent. I still miss those empanadas, but in the Hamburg. Yes. Right. Um, but you know, it, it, it is a shift. Right. And I, I wonder if it’s a universally negative impact or, or not. Yep.

Scott Luton (00:43:50):

So Vinay talks about, Hey, shutting down for a longer, more permanent time is not a sustainable option. Uh, Vermont says what is going to happen to traditional supply chains? Once people start working from home, more permanently, more disruptions due to shift in demand signals and consumption behavior, a big challenge, but difficult to be influenced. That’s a good point there. Um, all right. But my pick picking back up here, um, and, and thinking about this kind of the bigger picture, the overall impact of, of the latest curveball here in the Delta variant, anything else come to mind?

Mike Griswold (00:44:25):

Um, well, I, I think the other thing that comes to mind and I’ll, I’ll just base it based on my, my inquiry volume. And some of that of my colleagues is there is still an appetite to spend money. And there’s still an appetite for technology. I think when we look at, at companies that have, you know, emerged or emerging through this in a little bit of a little bit better shape than when they started, one of the common denominators is they continue to spend pragmatically on it. And I think it’s, it’s very easy, you know, during the first wave of COVID, I think it’s very easy during this time we’re in now with the Delta variant, for people to, again, want to kind of close the checkbook and, and close the purse and say, Hey, we’re not going to spend any money, but I do think it’s important for some of the reasons that some of the participants have cited around, Hey, we’re going to need some technology to help us understand the demand signal better.

Mike Griswold (00:45:26):

We might need some technology in terms of automation, if we can get people to come to work. Right. You know, we’ve seen a significant uptick with our analysts who I’m sure you guys are familiar with Dwight clappage Dwight is taking more calls than he can handle around automating warehouses. Uh, everyone is now I think wrestling with, you know, if you look at a more traditional warehouse, that workforce was aging to begin with, right? It’s, it’s not, uh, if anyone has spent any time picking in a warehouse, it is not a job for ever. And it, and there’s a certain point in time where physically, it just becomes a job. That’s probably not for you. And I think that’s part of the reason that, that Dwight is seeing such an, an uptick in the, in the robotics inquiries is, you know, people don’t necessarily want to do that work anymore. And maybe people can’t do that work anymore. Uh, and we’ve got some volume issues that we’re trying to work through. So I think Scott has kind of a long answer to a really good short question, but I think the technology and spending technology dollars is definitely something that we’re seeing people continue to do.

Scott Luton (00:46:37):

Excellent point. And in fact, dominant Leo likes your point and Dominic’s with the fourth floor, I believe he says, it’ll be interesting to see if that change management that Mike mentioned it will be considered as part of the equation in ROI for automation projects. You just touched on that Lawrence, Hey, Lawrence, appreciate the feedback and appreciate your service. If that’s you, uh, army, uh, looking forward to kind of hearing your thoughts on supply chain, talk about where it all started in our, in our military right now, for sure. Changing gears, Charles, going back to that clarification, Greg, uh, with banners, and of course the restaurant and services industry has been decimated, right.

Greg White (00:47:15):

I’ve been doing my part. I just want, you can count on me Charles, to be my part. Yeah.

Scott Luton (00:47:22):

You know, and that, that that’s really, I know, I know we’re kind of tongue in cheek there, but it’s, it is so important. I read an article over the, a couple of them now from a couple of sources about how, um, consumers are almost worse now in terms of their behavior at restaurants and in stores now is the time to be very empathetic consumers. Cause these, these companies are fighting for their, their survival and fighting for the ability to pay their own bills. So, um, quick,

Mike Griswold (00:47:51):

Yeah, Scott, that’s a great point. We just came back from vacation. We went to South Dakota and the number of restaurants that had not only help wanted signs, but also, you know, if I, if I paraphrase kind of the beat patient with a sign, cause we don’t have a lot of people, right. When you walk in and it’s a great call out, Scott, the people that are showing up regardless of the job, the people that are showing up every day, you know, that the stress level that they’re under because not everybody is showing up every day or there just aren’t enough people to show up every day. And we need to keep that in mind. And that could be, you know, the, the server that in your favorite restaurant, that could be the cashier. Who’s trying to get you through whatever store you’re in. You know, she may be on a 10 hour shift because someone else never showed up or she may be the only one that’s a cashier cause they can’t fill cashier jobs.

Mike Griswold (00:48:48):

So right. As always Scott, you point out a really a good observation or I would just need to be nicer to each other. Um, especially the people that, that we are, you know, in their businesses. I could not agree with you more, but what else would you add to that, Greg? Uh, I think, well, I think there’s relief on the way 25 states have opted withdrawn from the pandemic unemployment assistance, which is what has kept people staying away in droves from work from the workforce. The uptick in, in jobs, in the economy far outweighs the need. Uh, I mean far outweighs outweighs anyway, where there are plenty of jobs. Don’t try to say it smart. Just say it right. There are plenty of open jobs out there and more and more coming every day. And Scott and Mike, you both know this even before COVID, there were 2 million open jobs out of 44 million supply chain professionals. There were 2.2 million open jobs and that was in 2019 and we were expecting that amount to continue to increase. Right? So, um, there are plenty of places to go to work and I think relief is on the horizon. I like

Scott Luton (00:50:04):

How you think from your lips, the good Lord’s ears. I believe he marries Mohib says, Hey, good thing. The economy’s moving though, because even though odd jobs are entry level, job positions are hard to feel. Uh, he doesn’t mind bagging his own groceries now. And as Leah agrees with that, Kelly has the question of the day, perhaps my Griswold South Dakota, you at

Greg White (00:50:27):

Kelly’s a biker. So the answer matters here, Mike Kelly, Kelly. So we had a fantastic time. Um, and we would definitely go back. We will, we will not go back during bike week. So I was fortunate in that the, the, the Sturgis officially didn’t kick off until Friday. And we were heading, we were heading back on Friday. Wow. But we already saw, you know, I don’t know a thousand bikes. I don’t, I don’t know what the number is. Uh, we drove, um, through literally through Sturgis just to Y so I can say I’ve been to Sturgis. We didn’t stop. Um, but it, it is a spectacle to say the least. Yeah. And there’s not much to see of Sturgis unless it is right during yes, yes, sir.

Scott Luton (00:51:19):

As Leah says, I’m wondering what, what education’s going to play into all of this excellent point. Gary said, he’s getting lots of, uh, practice, uh, bagging groceries, which was his first job,

Greg White (00:51:31):

Canned goods on the bottom thread on the top. Victor

Scott Luton (00:51:36):

Loves all the way. We all like the way, uh, Greg. Thanks, Victor ads.

Greg White (00:51:41):

I appreciate that Victor. I really do. I’m not sure everybody does or should.

Scott Luton (00:51:47):

So over the weekend, uh, w one final question for you, Mike, kind of you’re on a tight schedule, you know, um, in this era of toilet paper and computer chips and all the other disruption we’re seeing over the weekend McDonald’s was reported to be running low own it’s standard paper bags that you put your big Mac in. And one of the reasons why is because even if folks are eating inside at McDonald’s, they don’t want the tray, they want to end the bag. And it really stuck me and stopped me for a minute because that’s one of the, I mean, it’s like, it’s like one of the basic it’s like having plastic bags at grocery stores, you know? Right. It’s just, it’s always there. You assume it’s always going to be there, but just one of the latest curve balls in this, in this air, we’re living through any commentary on that.

Mike Griswold (00:52:31):

Yeah. I think it’s, you know, when we think back to, to COVID one of the things that a lot of people did was, was really look at their supply base and their suppliers, and think about trying to diversify, maybe bring things, you know, back closer to home. And that may be as far as, uh, far away is it may have been pre pandemic. And I think, you know, people were also looking at suppliers from kind of a bill of materials perspective, you know, what used to be maybe a low priority supplier because they were, you know, an insignificant in plentiful times, an insignificant part of your bill of materials. Well, all of a sudden with COVID and maybe that particular component there now, you know, they need to be a high priority supplier because if you don’t have that chip and that car’s got to sit on these on the line waiting for the chip.

Mike Griswold (00:53:20):

Right. Um, so I think, you know, people really need to, to revisit their supplier kind of programming and segmentation and classification. I also think though, there are certain things that we will probably just never get. Right. I mean, I think it’s hard to, it would a bit hard to envision a world where someone doesn’t want their training more and all of the gazillion people, almost as many people that are in that infrastructure bill, right. Go to McDonald’s. So all of them want a paper bag, you know, you just, you just don’t think of those things. So part of what we’ve talked about in our time together over the last several months is responsiveness. So McDonald’s sees this, how quickly can they react and recover to that? Yeah. That’s, what’s going to separate folks over the next six to eight months. It’s Hey, you will not think of everything, but how quickly can you respond to something that you didn’t think of? That to me is, is the key to a really, really good supply chain. Wilson.

Scott Luton (00:54:24):

I couldn’t have said it better. And, and, and Greg arguably could not have said it better

Greg White (00:54:30):

Assay Victor.

Scott Luton (00:54:32):

Right. Well, Hey, uh, I know you’ve got a tight schedule. I really appreciate your appearance here today. Uh, Greg, I’ll give you the last comment before we, uh, bid. I do

Greg White (00:54:42):

Well, two things, one outliers and exceptions will always happen is, is effectively what Mike is saying. And that is true. If we focus on the core things that we can predict and can control and can effectively and rapidly respond to, even in the face of disruption, then all we have to spend time on is around those exceptions and outliers. And the other is Ford motor company talk about a bright spot. Ford motor company is prioritizing chips in cars that are ordered custom ordered by customers, brilliant move. They’re encouraging their customers to order the vehicle that they want. And they are applying the shortage of chips, the few chips that are available to those vehicles rather than randomly dropping them on docks and, and lots everywhere. Love that. That, which is old is new. Again, remember when your grandparents or that 77 Buick with pink interior and an orange folk convertible top, right? Well, that would go with Scott shirt. So that perfect for the golf course. Uh, so huge. Thanks Mike. Thank you.

Scott Luton (00:55:56):

And the whole Gardner family, all the best. Love your commentary here today. And we look forward to seeing you next month. So we’ve been talking to Mike Griswold, vice president analyst with Gartner. Thanks. One of the best, one of the best hall of Famer, for sure.

Greg White (00:56:15):

Yeah, for sure, man. Nailed it today.

Scott Luton (00:56:18):

Well, heap says, I hope restaurants, don’t start asking regular paper plates, say I’m with you, man. Uh, and Charles, I appreciate your comment here. Uh, I love the perspectives. You know, it is about that perspective and POV exchange. We could still do that in a respectful manner, regardless of how tough the topic and, and, uh, evolving that the topic is. Um, but we love your comments and perspective. You bring it down to the sky boxes. Okay. So Greg we’re at 1257. I want to wrap, I mean, I missed something a few weeks ago, my friend, oh, no, miss something now. Uh, um, I still, you know, I like, uh, um, I’m a hard copy person. We’ve, we’ve shifted a lot of that, uh, try and do our part, but I still get the wall street journal on Saturday. Saturday is just that Saturday edition. Right.

Scott Luton (00:57:07):

I can’t afford the full-blown edition, but I really like it. It’s very eclectic in its coverage. And as I found out over the weekend and one of my later, maybe two weeks ago, Ron Popeil passed away. Yes. Now, Ron, I miss that in all the digital, uh, news universe. I missed that. And you know, we talk about set and forget it, of course all the time, but, you know, I had the opportunity to kind of dive into his, his story more. Um, once I found out I started doing some more digging and you know, not only was he, uh, I think self-described one of the best salespeople of all time, you know, everyone knows him for the pitch, but Greg, I didn’t realize he invented a lot of what he was.

Greg White (00:57:55):

Yeah. Oh yeah. The pocket fishermen that is Ron Popeil at his best, the

Scott Luton (00:58:01):

PubMatic, the button near the badass color. Yeah,

Greg White (00:58:04):

Really. I did not know. That was a Popeil thing that continues to live on that is a truly timeless invention.

Scott Luton (00:58:13):

Showtime rotisserie is one where it was the infamous rotisserie where you put a whole chicken in there and time and time again, you set it and forget it. And it’s, it’s become, you know, as part of the, of, of our vernacular that, and, but wait, there’s more that’s right. Romp appeal

Greg White (00:58:31):

As if that isn’t enough and gosh, don’t you think it ought to be right.

Scott Luton (00:58:35):

So I wanted to wrap today, I’ve got this great quote, um, in, uh, in, in kind of getting a better appreciation for romp appeal’s background. Cause he was really, uh, um, pulled him up, you know, self-built individual is who Ron Popeil was and, and he’s a pioneer, you know, the infomercial, he was the king of infomercials. He would developed that new format back in the eighties and nineties long before Amazon, long before you could even Google what you’re looking for right

Greg White (00:59:04):

Back when you had to wait four to six weeks for delivery.

Scott Luton (00:59:06):

Right? Right. That’s right. So, um, Robert Thompson was quoted, uh, back in 1997, as he was talking about Ron Popeil. This is probably the closer to the height, the height of, uh, uh, appeal’s popularity. He says, this is quote, this is the ultimate late 20th century guy. What Henry Ford was to industrial strength and genius. Ron Popeil is to the next generation of American ingenuity. He’s figured out to get this he’s figured out the very complex negotiations that go on between what American culture produces and how we consume it. And people 100 years from now are going to be writing dissertations on him in quote. Wow. How about that? Um, so are

Greg White (00:59:50):

You going to, do you have a Ron Popeil episode on, on this week in business history, if you don’t,

Scott Luton (00:59:57):

We’re going to, we’re going to preface what we dropped today with a quick mention of some of, uh, uh, about romp appeal and, and, uh, he passed away on July 28th at the age of 86 at home and peace with his family surrounding I believe out in California. So, um, so on that note, I’ll tell you Greg white, all the wonderful folks in the sky boxes, Mike Griswold. And then we finish of course, with a legend in that than in business history. But Greg, give me that one thing, if folks didn’t, they ignore and don’t remember anything else that was said here today, regardless who said it, what is the one thing that you would encourage them to take away?

Greg White (01:00:44):

You are in control of the supply chain. We, the consumer are the beginning and the end of the supply chain. And if we want anything to change in supply chain, it comes through us. That’s empowering and it, and yet it’s daunting at the same time, but you can take your little slice of influence and apply it to an area for which you have passion or interest or desire or obsession or compulsion. And you can impact the supply chain individually.

Scott Luton (01:01:16):

I love that. And it’s so, it’s so very true. So folks get out there. You’re going to be voting with your income. You’re voting with your wallet, voting with your decisions you make, listen to Greg, make those smart decisions, do your homework. All right. You never know, um, what you may be supporting or not supporting, but what great advice here. So big, thanks to of course everyone behind the scenes, Jada Amanda Clay, Allie, you name it big. Thanks to Mike Griswold with Gartner for joining us today. Big, thanks to all of y’all in the sky boxes and the cheap seats. So to speak for coming out and bring your commentary, Greg, thanks for your time here today. And folks, most importantly, listen to Greg number one, but most importantly, Hey, do good. Give forward. Be the change that’s needed. And on that note, we’ll see you next time. Right back here,

Scott Luton (01:02:04):

Spot. Thanks.

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