Tyson’s changing up its production model, Amazon’s reshaping the labor market, warehousing is in high demand in SoCal – and we’re covering it all on The Supply Chain Buzz for December 13. Join co-hosts Scott and Karin as they tackle the top headlines of the moment. Together, they’ll explore how smaller companies are competing for talent amidst the infamous “Amazon effect,” check in with shipping performance, review 2021 supply chain highlights and more.

Intro/Outro (00:00:03):

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Scott Luton (00:00:31):

Hey everybody. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Wherever you are. Welcome to supply chain now Scott Luton and Karin Bursa with you here on the buzz Karin, how you doing?

Karin Bursa (00:00:41):

I’m doing great. Good day, everybody. It’s great to be here with

Scott Luton (00:00:43):

You, Scott. It is wonderful. Uh, enjoy the pre-show conversation, which always, you know, to your point, it’s either we’re talking sports or food or perhaps, uh, the latest, great movie or series we’re watching, but, uh, always something, right.

Karin Bursa (00:00:58):

It’s always something and you you’re always managed to get a little food in there. And for me, I’m in the Eastern time zone. So it’s just like lunchtime. I think there’s a body clock working in there somewhere. <laugh>

Scott Luton (00:01:08):

Agreed. Agreed. So, but we got a chalk full supply chain buzz right here where Karen and are gonna be sharing some of the leading stories across global business. So buckle up and get ready. As of course, as always, we want to hear from all of our listeners as well. So Corrin, we’re gonna say a hello to a few folks in a minute, but before we do, I want to give a shout out to a special team. That’s been part of our successful 2021. So today’s show is produced in partnership with AUL arc who built our stunning new website, supply chain now.com. Now Corin, as you know, they’re a leader in user experience, design and development of websites, but also custom software applications within the supply chain industry. So big, thanks to Z here and the topnotch team over at a Azure arc. And you can learn more@aazurearc.com cor your thoughts.

Karin Bursa (00:02:04):

Oh, absolutely. Um, we’ve had the chance to work with them on a couple of different projects and great project management, um, a great user experience, um, design wise. So I think the fact that they not only develop websites like corporate websites or our supply chain now.com website, but that they actually, um, develop software, you know, that gets used day in and day out for a multitude of, of different types of businesses that, um, that design team’s really got a, a sharp eye and some really good recommendations on navigation and, and feedback. So

Scott Luton (00:02:44):

Agreed. And of course my favorite functionality that they brought to us VR website is the, the search function. You know, these days there’s a search function on everything. Uh, every site, every app you have, and that really helps as we navigate through, uh, close to 800 main channel episodes, but then we probably have several hundred between tech talk and, and this week in business history, you name it. So that’s a great, great tool to use. So big, thanks. You can learn more@aazurearc.com. Now, Karen there’s one other event I wanna touch on before we get going on the news. And, and, and for first off, big shout out to Amanda and Jada behind the scenes for helping to make production happen. Hey, Amanda heads up. If you can grab the link for Wednesday’s livestream, I wanna pop that into comments here in just a minute. The one featuring ESER we’ll touch on that in a second, but, uh, Karen today is a national ice cream day. Yes, that’s, that’s a, that’s a real thing. Now, one of my favorites and we touched on this, in this, in business history podcast that dropped today is cherry Garcia that, um,

Karin Bursa (00:03:49):

Um, is that a Ben and

Scott Luton (00:03:51):

Jerry’s yeah, Ben and Jerry, thank you very much. Now that was named, what I love about that is, is several things. First off, it was suggested to, to them by a customer. So they listen to their customers. That’s where that came from. That’s where their, uh, best selling chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream comes from mm-hmm <affirmative>, uh, all came from the consumers, but also, you know, they would, they named out of course, AF after the grateful dead lead singer, Jerry Garcia, and try to do a podcast where you’re and cherry Garcia and Jerry get mixed up quick <laugh> but they reached out to him when he was, I think he, he passed probably I wanna say about 20 years ago or so. Anyway, they, they rolled ice cream out when he was still with us and they, they asked him for his comment. Well, evidently he was a big fan and he, he, his through his PR agent, he said, as long as no one named a mortar O after me, I’m pretty much good to go. So it’s good. Good ice cream. So <laugh> so Karin question for you and question for all of our listeners, we’re gonna say hello to a few folks in a second. What is your favorite ice cream? And if you want to add where you get it, we’ll welcome that too. So Karin how about you?

Karin Bursa (00:05:00):

Um, I would say crates and cream. So I, I like the, the prings in there, the nuts that are in there, and then that Carly kind of twist with the vanilla. I like it.

Scott Luton (00:05:11):

So, so one more, one more fun comment about ice cream industry, which I found out over the weekend. So Penn state university, uh, has had an ice cream class. That’s been very popular since 1925. Uh, Ben and Jerry both took a $5 correspondence course with this class, which they used to get the, uh, to get their business going. But it’s a who’s who, in terms of who’s, who’s been a part of that class, Baskin Robbins, Hogan, Doss. Um, really, if not to, they send their team members to, to uncover the science of making great ice cream. How, how cool is that? So if you’re a nitany lion beyond, you know, good, strong, uh, academics and, and collegiate, uh, athletic programs, you’re evidently a Titan in the ice cream industry, Karin. That’s

Karin Bursa (00:06:00):

Crazy. I that’s one of those things I was not aware of. I wouldn’t have, I would not have known that there was an ice cream specialty at any university, so it

Scott Luton (00:06:09):

Really, it really is funny. Um, alright, so let’s get a couple of, uh, we’re gonna say hello and acknowledge some of this and some flavors. Yes. Okay. That’s right. <laugh> so of course, Peter Bole all night and all day is back with us. Peter hope this finds you well, it’s great to have you here. Max Gomez is with us once again, max. Great to see you via LinkedIn, uh, uh, Roe, Alina. She was with us, um, a week or two ago and I double checked her name. Then I got it. Right. But I think I got it wrong that time. So, so let me know. It’s either RO or row, so, so correct us. And, and let me make sure I get that right, but thank you for joining us here today from South Africa, Tempest is back with us. She was with us last week. Karin, I don’t know if you recall. Good morning. We have to get

Karin Bursa (00:06:56):

The story, her name at some point, you know, Tempus and a teapot, or where did that come from? Tempus.

Scott Luton (00:07:03):

<laugh> excellent question Tempus. Please fill us in Sylvia. Of course, back with us, uh, from the holy city of Charleston, South Carolina, be LinkedIn. Great to see ya. And she says mint chocolate chip. Nice. I like it now. I believe that is one of the, there’s a handful of flavors that is, are predominant favorites, uh, across ice cream lovers, everywhere. I believe mint chocolate chip is one of them. Are you a fan Karin? I’m a fan. Okay. <laugh> temp. Tempus, kinda up your alley. Butter pecan. Yep. I love, and I don’t know about you. I say that pecan. Sometimes I say pecan. Sometimes I’m not sure what the right right way saying it is, but she likes that. And, and, or pre leans and creams. I’m with you. Blue bell, blue bell cream or blue bell. Yep. Yep. They also attended the Penn state ice cream class. Ah, Peter belay, heavenly hash. I think that’s a Ben and Jerry’s flavor too.

Karin Bursa (00:07:54):

I think it is. Or at least that’s the first place they ever tasted have.

Scott Luton (00:08:00):

Now how about this? Lene says blueberry. Cheesecake. That sounds delicious. Huh?

Karin Bursa (00:08:06):

It does sound good. <laugh> and, and it counts as a fruit, right? Cause then I could have, I’m just having a bowl of blueberries. That’s all

Scott Luton (00:08:13):

Right. Max says chocolate from ho and dos. That’s a very popular one. Now Tim says she got her name from the Cosby show. It’s Vanessa from the Cosby show’s real name. I was born a month after it came out. I love that.

Karin Bursa (00:08:28):

Very good

Scott Luton (00:08:29):

Memorable man. What a show too? My, my favorite episode of that show is, uh, where the Cosby kids sing the Ray Charles classic, um, not and day. I think it’s a title of it. That’s at least a reframe and they’re kind of up the staircase. And then Rudy comes out and the sunglasses and she’s got this solo and it just, it is such a classic sitcom moment, but Tim’s great to have you here. Okay. So KA Karen, we gotta stop talking ice cream for a second. Cause we’re getting everybody hungry, right?

Karin Bursa (00:09:00):

That’s it get me hungry anyway. How’s that?

Scott Luton (00:09:04):

So I wanna offer up this CLA uh, live stream. We, this class almost said it’s like, I’m, I’m still thinking ice cream, class ice cream. <laugh> this live stream

Karin Bursa (00:09:12):

Ice cream and join us for this next webinar.

Scott Luton (00:09:15):

<laugh> that’s right. Oh gosh. So our live stream this Wednesday at 12 and Eastern Eastern time, we’re bringing together, uh, LQ and Esther, and we’re gonna be talking about creative ways of finding, working capital in this new landscape we’re we’re experiencing and, and living through. So y’all join us 12 new noon. You can register. If you wanna get a reminder for this, you can find, I think, well, a Amanda’s already beat me to it. She dropped link to the LinkedIn, um, uh, show, uh, in the comments. You can go there, you can register it that way. You get a reminder. And of course we would welcome your comments. As we work through the livestream. Allison crate Giddens will be joining me as a co-host uh, on Wednesday. Karin, have you met Allison yet?

Karin Bursa (00:09:59):

I have not met Allison, but I have heard great things. Oh. Um, so I’m, I’m glad she’s able to, to join on that. Uh, you know, Scott, I don’t think that our, um, our community, our supply chain now community knows how much we count on them to be engaged in these live streams. Right. And bring their point of view. It really brings a lot of energy to the table. And as you know, as folks who do this on a regular basis, it’s just, it’s a lot of fun. It makes it so much more interesting for us. And I think it makes it more interesting for the audience as well.

Scott Luton (00:10:30):

That’s such a great point. I mean, those, that’s the best part of the livestream, quite frankly, not taking anything away from our guests, but the folks that show up and the comments and whether they’re informative, been there, done that comments or the sense of humor that some of the folks bring to the table. So that’s a great call out. <laugh> okay. Speaking of which I wanna grab just a couple more comments and we’re gonna dive into our first story. Simon is back with us. Simon. Hope this finds you. Well, he said is he doesn’t have a sweet tooth. I’d rather have crackers and cheese, to be honest. Hey, that resonates with me. I’m I’m a big savory, um, snack individual. Karin, how about you?

Karin Bursa (00:11:08):

Um, I, I do like salty. I’ll take salty over sweet any day, but, uh, but you know, I can be tempted with some pre ones and cream, know what we’re talking

Scott Luton (00:11:16):

About and cheesecake and pecan pop. Oh it all. But Simon, most importantly, great to have you back hope this finds you well, hope you’re having a great close to your, uh, 2021. David is back with us via LinkedIn. Happy Monday, everyone. David, Hey, let us know where you’re taking your Jeep to, uh, or maybe, maybe where you took it this past. I know you do a lot of offroad and great to have you back here today. Okay. So one more, uh, one, one fail one fol perhaps, um, regardless welcome, uh, watching live from Botana. She says via LinkedIn. So great to have you here. Look forward to your perspective. All right. So Karin, are we ready to dive into the news of the day? Absolutely. Okay. So let’s start. We’ve got an interesting story. Um, albeit really expected news coming out of the foods industry.

Scott Luton (00:12:12):

That’s we’re gonna start here today. So according to this story via, uh, Patrick Thomas and the wall street journal Tyson foods is set to spend some, get this 1.3 billion over the next three years to automate some of its production. Now mm-hmm <affirmative> in the short term, the company plans to spend over 500 million in 2022 to address some of the most hands on aspects of production. One of the companies, chief executives, Donny king said on an investor’s call here recently, quote, it’s very simple approach. Here’s a takeaway, the more difficult higher turnover jobs. So for important background Tyson is the biggest us chicken producer and provides about 20% of the chicken we consume in the us. De-boning chicken. I mean, just think of that. The phrase itself conjures up plenty of plenty of thoughts. What’s very labor intensive, but it’s also very dangerous, right? Um, it is.

Scott Luton (00:13:10):

Yes. And that’s been the focus of a lot of Tyson’s automation and initiatives, uh, going back a couple years now, mm-hmm <affirmative> plus the pandemic and the competitive labor environment has made it very difficult to fully staff plants to meet the heightened demand. You know, everybody and their brother and sister is demanding chicken. These days, you got chicken sandwich wards that truly, I mean, kidding aside, they’ve factored into the demand for chicken. Yep. A company has said this initiative is targeting those hard to fill roles and will provide current workers with other positions and opportunities. So the last time cor I’ll get your take here in a second. The last time we spoke about food processing automation, I think it was with Tyson a few months back, the companies involved were concerned. One of their concerns was overall yield losses, right? Mm-hmm <affirmative> clearly that’s been addressed, but I’m also sure my hunch would be that the business case for proceeding with the E an even bigger automation play has gotten stronger on a variety levels. So Karin your thoughts here. Yeah.

Karin Bursa (00:14:13):

So I, I, I agree with you, it’s, it’s an impressive investment at 1.3 billion. I think that’s over a three year period of time. Um, but the real kicker, when you read through the article is that Tyson expects to save about 450 million by the end of 2024. So the ROI on this investment is gonna turn pretty quickly that that will come from both reduced labor cost, but also from the increased revenue or a as demand for chicken, as you were saying, continues to grow over time. I believe Scott, that they’re planning something like a dozen new plants over the next two years as well. So, um, just, you know, a couple of data points. It’s, it’s interesting that, that this article came up because I was having a conversation late Friday about Tyson in particular and the investment. Um, and I know the expectation is it’ll be 1.3 billion. I bet by the time all is said and done, it’s gonna be even higher than that. Yeah, that’s

Scott Luton (00:15:13):

A great point. Um, and I, and I would add, uh, uh, some of the news that came out last week was Tyson is getting, uh, is, is ramping up it’s bonus program, rewarding the employees that stuck with them this year, which is, is really cool. In fact, Amanda say, did you hear about this Matt? That it really, that is such a, um, a challenging industry it’s challenging work. And it’s great to see, um, you know, companies give back and hit that bottom line, especially this time of year. So we’ll be keeping our finger on the pulse, man. Just think if we can use automation to Deone chicken, uh, uh, in a, in an excellent manner, just imagine all the other, uh, things that we can automate and, and keep people safe while providing other opportunities. So I’m gonna take a couple of quick comments here before we move to the next story.

Scott Luton (00:16:02):

Hey, I appreciate this from David. He says, Allison Gibbons is amazing. She’s been down both sides of the business and has fantastic insights and opinions, David I’m with you and a tune in Wednesday where you’ll be able to hear and, and beyond all that cor she’s like a, she’s a humorist slash comedian. So, and a good one at that. So we’ll see. Uh, he also, you know, I’ll just ask David about where he is been taking his Jeep. I didn’t even stop to think he had a snow on the, a snowy up in Canada, probably right now. <laugh> David that image of you, of your dirty Jeep after a offroad session just sticks right here. So it’s always springtime between my ears, right? Uh, well,

Karin Bursa (00:16:44):

And, and David, I think Atlanta, it’s gonna be like 68, 69 degrees Fahrenheit today. So still plenty of mud to be done.

Scott Luton (00:16:52):

Yes. Right. That is right. Right. T squared who holds down the Fort force over on YouTube. He’s on a cleanse right now. <laugh> <laugh> I think we just violated a hip act. I dunno, I’m sorry.

Karin Bursa (00:17:04):

T square,

Scott Luton (00:17:05):

Sorry. Hey, I need to be on a I’m with you T squared, so maybe you can share, and we can, uh, benchmark a little bit. Otherwise he says he, you be smashing some fudge ripple ice cream right now. Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. So all kidding aside, Peter makes a great point here. Um, you know, we’re just talking, you know, different temperatures. It’s, it’s been a crazy, really crazy past week and, and really a, um, crazy weather-wise, but really devastating from a, uh, a, a family and, and lost standpoint. So Peter makes a great call out, absolutely wants to extend his thoughts and prayers, all those affected by the tornadoes over the weekend. And he points out the, the images that show the

Karin Bursa (00:17:45):

Destruction. Oh my goodness. It is it really, it, it just gives you goosebumps when you, when you see some of the images. And, um, did I read correctly, uh, Peter or, or Scott that it’s the longest, um, distance, right. That tornadoes have traveled, you know, making contact that we’ve recorded. So did something as far as 200 miles. Did I hear that

Scott Luton (00:18:11):

Correctly? It, it could, from what I read and I’m certainly a meteorologist, but it could be up to 250 miles. They’re still digging through the data to confirm it wasn’t multiple tornadoes, but okay. Uh, the track goes through four states and there’s only been a handful of certainly only a handful of December storms. It doesn’t have done the same thing, but in general, only a handful of storms that last have lasted that long. Um, in terms of modern data science, it goes into, you know, meteorology, uh, different scales and, and, and measurements. So, but the, the images as you and Peter both speak to it, it, it, it really, you had to sit down to digest. Yeah. Um, so we, we shall six states. Peter says, so instead of four states, they went through six states. That is just, um, horrible news. So all, yeah, definitely a lot more to come out of it, as they confirm and hopeful, the numbers don’t get any worse, but, um, you know, thoughts and prayers are with all the families and coworkers and all these towns that are experience experiencing so much loss.

Scott Luton (00:19:13):

So, um, I appreciate you mentioning that, Peter. Okay. On a much, much lighter note. I want to, uh, hello, Marlow reading from tech, uh, Dallas, Texas via LinkedIn. Great to see here. Um, so let’s, uh, I wanna move from the Tyson foods, automation story, which I think is really intriguing to, um, a story about how Amazon has emerged kind of as a trend setter when it comes to workforce compensation, crazy times we’re living at. So, uh, now this shouldn’t really like the last story. This shouldn’t really surprise anyone, and I’m not really crazy about out any, anytime you’re talking about workers, how you use a phrase low, skilled, I think that’s, that’s poor practice anyway, that aside, uh, Amazon, which is a nation’s second largest private employer is heavily influencing the labor market on a variety of levels. So this article via wall street journal, um, talks a about really a wide variety of markets, but one of particular it points out is Cincinnati, right?

Scott Luton (00:20:14):

Home of skyline chili, home of the reds home of, uh, let’s see here, the reds and the bangles, right? I don’t think they’ve got an NBA team last check, but anyway, Amazon’s advertising near Cincinnati is on buses, billboards, even ads on iPhone cane, one employer in the area, uh, as, as the article points out, they’ve done everything. They can raising wages and implementing bonuses amongst other things to better compete with Amazon’s voracious appetite for talent. Other employers in other markets are looking to provide more flexibility, uh, lighter workloads, Karin, and other perks to better compete for that talent. And, you know, while, um, Cincinnati could be a more unique of a market when it comes to, um, the Amazon effects, so to speak because of that big air hub that Amazon put in, uh, to the airport a couple years back, but you see it in Los Angeles, you see it in the Austin, Texas area. We certainly see it in the Atlanta area. It is, you know, that Amazon effect, which has been cliche for years now, man, is really coming to bear in the labor market. And we all see the commercials too. It’s, it’s fascinating. Karin. What are some of your thoughts here? Yeah,

Karin Bursa (00:21:28):

So I, I think labor is gonna be a, a continuing theme Scott in, in the months and months ahead still they’re, we’re seeing the, the impact of, of constraints in the labor market just about everywhere. Um, but, uh, this Amazon effect, certainly as a, as an employer of choice, if you will, they’ve got the scale to, to offer employees. Some things that smaller businesses, uh, are, you know, are, are hampered in, in delivering. So, uh, they’ve done some bonuses and other things. One of the things that was interesting in the article, um, is that they talked about Amazon actually, um, setting up some, some mock fulfillment centers yep. In high schools. Right, right. So that they can actually train or start training. Um, some students that might be candidates to come to work for Amazon, which I think is brilliant. Um, I, I think it’s a brilliant strategy.

Karin Bursa (00:22:24):

I think it could actually raise the bar on the skillsets of employees that are entering the marketplace. Just like doing training for apex, like you did so many years ago. Right, right. Just introducing students to those concepts. Um, but think about the technology that’s used in an Amazon, um, distribution center on everything from barcode scanners to the routing and technology and the pick technology. So the article may have called them low skill workers, but honestly, I think it’s an opportunity for us to change how we think about, um, employees that are, um, working in those distribution centers, even with the automation and with robots. Um, there’s some pretty interesting things they can get exposed to coming out of high school with some, um, some knowledge base in that area.

Scott Luton (00:23:14):

Yes. I agree. And, you know, on Amazon’s behalf, it is it’s brilliant and it’s, and I love the, uh, I love anytime you’re engaging the next generation. Uh, cause even if they nev they don’t go into supply chain, you’re still opening doors and, and lines of things, areas of thinking, which, um, may, may create other Eureka moments, but yep. To, to be devil’s advocate for a second, what I’m hoping that, um, school, especially schools, right. I’m hoping that they allow, you know, they don’t, they don’t get, uh, stars in their eyes because they’re, they’re working and collaborating with Amazon. And they also give the same opportunity to other industries and companies that may not have the same, uh, wherewithal. Right. So that we keep a mm-hmm, <affirmative> a nice balanced approach to what students and, and potential practitioners are exposed to. But I, I think, you know, as you and I have gone into schools and presented supply chain 1 0 1, which yep. Um, was kind of a, more of a general approach. We touched on chocolate supply chain, automotive supply chain, just really to plant those seeds. Uh, uh, and it’s, it’s amazing. I think you and I had similar takeaways, just how smart and advanced and how exposed meaning in, in a good way. Um yep. That these kids are these days SA very savvy. Right?

Karin Bursa (00:24:30):

Yeah. And, you know, I, I spent probably about 12 years as a junior achievement coach as well. So that goes kind of elementary school and into, um, middle school, depending upon if, if, um, you know, middle school includes sixth grade. Yeah. And even that you can put a supply chain spin on, cuz there are a lot of, of, you know, business lemonade, stand ideas, raw material and movement to market. So I do think if we can help the students tie these things together, that it just changes the way they think. And, and um, you know, I’m, I’m encouraged by the talent pool of, of students who are in elementary, middle school and high school. I’m hoping that COVID, you know, hasn’t had a negative impact for, you know, the last two years. So that’s something that we’ll have to just keep an eye out for and look at opportunities to close those gaps if needed.

Scott Luton (00:25:23):

Excellent point. So going back, y’all check out this article, it’s it, it, uh, is a deep dive in some of the, uh, impact Amazon’s having on the labor market. All right.

Karin Bursa (00:25:34):

Now that the flip side on that Scott, before we get into the next story is, you know, last week we got the inflation numbers and inflation is like at a 40 year high for the us. Right. Right. So it’s at 6.8%. And that raises the price of everything from chicken, from food to gas, to, you know, housing or any other materials that you’re looking at. But the us bureau of labor statistics, right. You know, is saying, we’re probably gonna be at this level until we get through this supply chain crunch basically. Um, so, uh, we just all need to keep that in mind, it’s, it’s, it’s really a ripple effect on higher wages, less talent in the market or less available resources in the market. And then the many, many constraints that we’re all dealing with on a daily basis.

Scott Luton (00:26:23):

So since, uh, yes, that that is not good news that we’re all experiencing right now. And unfortunately there’s a little bit of more, uh, a little bit more, uh, yep. Bad news when it comes to ocean carrier reliability, which has been hitting some really rough patches here lately, shippers cor, as you’re gonna tell us about, they’re looking at a wide variety of alternatives, right.

Karin Bursa (00:26:45):

They are looking at a wide variety of alternatives. I’m not, I wasn’t surprised by this article because it’s been so top of mind for all of us in supply chain when it comes to the import export, um, you know, operations right now. Um, but they did a survey. This comes to us from, uh, Alejandra Salgado. Um, I apologize if I got your name wrong, but, um, with supply chain dive, uh, but it it’s a great piece that just, um, hits some of the recent metrics. So that did a survey of more than 60 carriers that, um, serve 34 trade lanes and found that performance a reliability performance is at 34.4%. Wow. I mean, that’s, that’s abysmal, that’s terrible, but you know what, Scott, it’s actually slightly better than what we were seeing in September. So, um, I think it was as low as 33.6% in September. So we’ve seen it as slight move in the right direction. Right. Um, but you can see this chart on what historic performance looks like. Right. So, um, we’ve got a really deep hole to dig out of. And as we get through these constraints and, and areas of, you know, the containers, right. Empty container placements, full container placements, all kinds of just equipment that is out of sync right now. And it’s gonna still take us months and months to recover.

Scott Luton (00:28:10):

Yes. Uh, and you’re right. If I got my pro tractor out, uh, I w we could, we could probably pinpoint about a, uh, I don’t know, about a seven degree <laugh> increase. Yeah. Uh, so we’re, we’re, we are to your point moving the right direction, but man, holy cow, have they been, uh, experiencing some challenges here, right.

Karin Bursa (00:28:30):

And this, this, this let’s all just kind of keep in mind that this was before the announcements that the Biden administration, um, made where they were trying to, you know, open 24, 7 operations and do some things. Um, so we really haven’t seen any benefit in these numbers yet. Um, hopefully we’ll see that in the November and December numbers. So I’m, I’m, you know, uh, it, it’s gonna be a while before they’re back to historic performance, right. Uh, levels. But, um, you know, at this 0.1%, 2%, 10% is gonna make a huge difference in and what we see as consumers, but in the headaches and problems that, that our listeners have to grapple with on a daily basis. Right.

Scott Luton (00:29:13):

And I saw a couple things over the weekend, speaking of ports and, and the west coast ports. Um, on one hand, I, I saw someone report there’s, uh, either 30 or 40 ships now down from, I think as many as a hundred waiting to be offloaded. Right. Over a hundred. Yeah. Yeah. But the flip side I saw on someone else report, uh, that the ships are just slowing down and they’re, and they’re, they’re also anchoring further off. So that, that they’re not rolled up into that number. I don’t know, you know, I don’t know. Um, but it really, it is, uh, it’s amazing, but Hey, kudos to all, you talk about folks at that, uh, hardworking people, um, much like in these fulfillment centers, ports that is not, um, you know, in the air force, I, uh, is my only time ever working with containers, uh, from an air cargo standpoint that is tough work. No matter if it’s, you’re loading it in a, um, KC 1 35, or if you’re loading it in a, you know, off coming off a ship and onto a, um, uh, a trailer, it is tough, tough work. So we’ll see, we’ll keep our finger on the pulse as we continue to monitor the progress of getting unclogged. Right. Yeah. And

Karin Bursa (00:30:21):

As you mentioned that from kinda loading into planes as well, you know, the, the article, I think, pointed out Scott, um, that there has been an increase in an air freight by about 3%. Yep. Um, just trying to get some of that, some of those goods, um, you know, on to the us shores or wherever, uh, so that they can get the ’em into market, but that’s a very expensive alternative. Agreed.

Scott Luton (00:30:46):

Uh, and guess what, we got a little bit more, uh, challenging set of circumstances coming. The year of the tiger. Karen is coming up starting February 1st, 2022. Of course, we’re talking about Chinese new year. That’s gonna impact global business each year has always us cause it’s one of the biggest holiday celebrations in the entire world. Factory production shipping challenges are gonna definitely come as always. So, um, let, I wanna call out a couple quick comments here. Uh, see RO goes back to what, uh, Amazon was doing in high schools, wonderful youth development and exposure to supply chain I’m with you. I completely agree with you there. Um, Sylvia, the last 20 months have been brutal in the ocean container market. Now she should know. She knows it. Yeah. Right. She, she, she is a leader in getting stuff moved, uh, and it is also very familiar with the, the continued growth of the Charleston port of Charleston. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, and then, uh, lucky ask a question. I’m not sure which decline of what out of what you were sharing Karin, what you may have. Um, uh, oh, I think he was talking about the overall reliability. Yeah. Declines. You went into

Karin Bursa (00:31:56):

Some of, I wish I knew one thing for you, but I, I do think it’s been a snowball effect of, of, um, you know, port availability, container moves. Um, you know, we, we have had a continued problem on the west coast of the United States in the California ports, which, which handle the majority of goods that are coming in from Asia in particular. Yep. Um, for about four months, maybe five months about at Sylvia knows, um, just off the top of her head. Uh, but, um, um, it’s been just getting worse and worse and we saw just a, just a little improvement there in reliability, right. Uh, that, that the article mentioned,

Scott Luton (00:32:37):

Well, David’s already breaking it’s crystal ball <laugh> he says, Sylvia, I don’t see it changing in the next 20 months either. So, uh, that’s probably a pretty accurate, uh, prediction Daveon um, right. So y’all check out, uh, great, great work as always at supply chain dive. I wanna jump, you know, kind of along those lines, I wanna tee up this next story. You’re kind of in your response to lucky, you’re kind of, uh, talking about the perfect storm that goes into, you know, the roll up of a variety of factors that goes into, you know, some of these singular things we track. Well, this was a great article, uh, talking about the warehousing CR the warehousing crunch and Southern California, right?

Karin Bursa (00:33:16):

Yeah, it is. And so Matt Garland did this, um, wrote this article for, um, again, supply chain dive. What I like about it is there are seven charts in there. Like we have pulled out one chart here for discussion today, but I like the way this article just shows the interconnection interconnection between a number of different factors that are related to some of the port challenges that were talked about with regards to, um, ocean, uh, reliability. So, um, it’s not just that the port of Los Los Angeles and long beach, you know, have significant backups associated with them. That has a riping effect that is impacting, um, almost all supply chain operations in California today. So the chart that we pulled out here is from the California employment development department. And if you look at the red bar on this, it is really highlighting the number of open positions for warehouse and distributions center workers.

Karin Bursa (00:34:21):

So something like 123,440, I think open positions, which is substantial, but look at some of these other categories as well. Uh, personal care aids, um, 108,000 open positions, retail sales people, uh, over almost 67,000 and open positions, uh, tractor trailer drivers, almost 41,000. So you can just see in all of these areas of, you know, retail selling goods, as well as, um, uh, our ship, our, our, um, excuse me, our, uh, drivers tractor, trailer drivers, uh, that are gonna move those across the country. You know, there’s just so many challenges in, um, you know, attracting and retaining talent, which goes back to that Amazon, uh, story that we were just talking about as well. So, um, lots of, lots of things coming together, labor is certainly, um, kind of front and center across all of these areas and we’re gonna need, I don’t care how much automation we get. Right. I, I think automation like the Tyson story automation is gonna be important, but we’re still going to need people and buildings, um, and, and, you know, to, to compliment what can be automated in the process.

Scott Luton (00:35:44):

Agreed. Agreed. Um, so folks, this article that we’re speaking to, I’m gonna back up back and share it. This is, I’m gonna tell you, um, the calls I get to talk about supply chain. I’m gonna start just pointing, um, to articles like this, cause it really speaks to, um, the balancing balancing act that’s required to break through, uh, some of the issues we’re seeing Karin. And, and I wanna add a couple thoughts here, but, um, my, one of my favorite pastors of all time called me on Saturday because he was factoring supply chain into his sermon really? And yes, I was, I was so honored. I was over the moon cause he’s one of our me and Amanda’s favorite people of all time. And it was good to spend some time, but it really, when I hung up, it was like, man, you know, it’s one thing to see supply chain in the commercial jingles. It’s one thing to, to hear your kids talking about it, but when our men and women of faith want to include it in their messages to their congregations, that is pretty cool. Right.

Karin Bursa (00:36:45):

That’s amazing. That is amazing. Right.

Scott Luton (00:36:48):

So, yeah, as I was challeng, as I was speaking note, uh, that article really illustrates balancing acts required high demand for warehouse space, low vacancy and availability. You got current warehouses that are clogged with volume. I think clogged is gonna be our word of the hour, perhaps, um, adding to dwell time for truckers, which then rolls right over into burnout and turn to labor market. You got new warehouse construction pace, which we’ll have to check in with ward Richmond. He’s our go-to for supply chain real estate. That’s slow down for due to a number of different factors. So that adds to the overall issues. Mm-hmm <affirmative> but to your point, Karen, I love this one quote, uh, Dale young, who is vice president of warehousing distribution at world distribution services, no sponsorship I’m, I’m calling it out. Cause I like it. Uh, Dale says, quote, there’s only so many robots by you’re still gonna need the people and buildings and you’re gonna have to give them a career quote.

Karin Bursa (00:37:46):

Yep. And that, I mean, again, these stories, although we didn’t think it at the time, they’re all very interrelated or there’s a common thread through them. Um, and you know, it comes to construction of new or additional warehouse space. That’s not something that can happen overnight. A and I know they’ve seen several delays again, raw material delays, labor delays coming in that are stretching those timelines out by another 12 to 18 months. So longer than it normally would’ve taken or a pre COVID would’ve taken to do construction of additional distribution center. So again, that snowball effect, um, or the inner connectivity and relations between all of these, um, different areas of the supply chain are really, you know, gonna gonna continue to play out. Um, I hope David, it’s not another 20 months, but I do think it is gonna take us a good part of 2022 just to unwind where we are.

Scott Luton (00:38:44):

Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. Of course. Lucky talks about the influx of orders. Absolutely. That’s that’s one of the numerous factors, right? So that’s a good call out. Uh, lucky. Um, now Sylvia says extremely complex issue. If I can offer one silver lining, the port communities are looking for cohesive and inclusion with all parties involved with the movement of cargo. We’re seeing vast improvements on the east coast, along with alternative solutions on the west coast that is expert input. And I know that, um, you know, more hence of visibility and collaboration amongst all parties that in, in our all, uh, stakeholders that, that depend on port operations, that’s, that’s an area where American ports evidently are, are behind in other parts of the world. So Sylvia, I think we got the right people on the job with, with folks like you and many others. So we, we value you what you do.

Scott Luton (00:39:37):

Uh, Rolin says, I agree. Karin bottlenecks at each link in supply chain snowballs and ripples are felt globally. Our average port delays is between five and 22 days. And Rolin, if you’d clarify, is that, that that’s what you’re seeing, uh, in South Africa or is that what you’re is that kind of more of a general, uh, uh, got range there? Tempest says I’d love to hear this sermon. <laugh> you know what, so if Amanda can indulge me, we’re talking about Reverend Trenton Dockery, one of our favorite people of all time, Amanda, I’d love. If you can copy that, that live stream from, uh, Grayson United and drop it in comments, Hey, we gotta give to people what they want. So temp, I agree with you. He’s uh, he’s wonderful. Okay. So Karin, we had just kind of wrapped on this seven charts shows Southern California’s warehousing crunch, check it out again via our friends at supply chain, dive that, do great work there. Um, and yes, RO thank you. That’s what they’re seeing us South Africa. I really appreciate that. And <laugh> like, he says, that is insane. That range at 5 22 days, you bet.

Karin Bursa (00:40:45):

It’s very, I mean, it’s very real. So in north America we are seeing, um, supply inbound supplies being delayed by as little as two times normal, um, to as much as, um, I believe the last number I saw was five or six times. So in, in days, um, that could go from a couple of weeks to now six months still. So, um, especially around some of these construction materials, some of the durable goods that are coming in, um, those, um, those timelines are crazy.

Scott Luton (00:41:19):

Agreed. Agreed. Okay. So y’all check it out. Good stuff from the wall street journal and supply chain dive here today. But Karin, I wanna put you on the spot a little bit. Okay. Uh, and talking about tech talk, which is a podcast on the move digital supply chain podcast. Uh, last week in the most recent podcast, we dropped was all about a very popular and well received. First part of six strategies for greater supply chain resilience. And maybe we can drop a link to this as well. We’re gonna be link city here today in the comments, Amanda, you can also on tech talk, digital supply chain podcast, wherever you get yours from, uh, talk to us about maybe a couple highlights from this and then give us a snapshot of what’s to come.

Karin Bursa (00:42:03):

Yeah, this, this has been a really popular topic. Um, and it is a, it’s a two-parter and I would just encourage everyone to, to listen through it all six levers, if you, you will six things that you can do. We’ve talked about a few of them here. Um, but again, how interrelated they are, um, strategies that are changing with companies that have, have focused their sourcing and production and Asian operations, and now are looking at multi-sourcing opportunities, which may be more expensive for them, but we’ll help to mitigate some of the risk over time. Um, so, and they’ll come into other ports, maybe have the opportunity to come into some of those east coast sports instead of all west coast ports as well. So, um, just lots of, of good, um, ideas and material in there. Um, some good references to research if you’re interested in diving in a little deeper, um, but that, that particular episode or those two episodes, I’ve gotten some really positive, um, feedback on. So thank you very much to everyone who has listened to ’em and if you haven’t listened to ’em, I’m hungry for listeners. So please get out there and subscribe,

Scott Luton (00:43:08):

Check it out. Uh, and can you, and you might not yet, uh, be able to, and, and, and, and let the cat outta the bag. Can you talk to us about your next podcast you’re releasing?

Karin Bursa (00:43:19):

Yes, I can actually, cuz it’s gonna release tomorrow. So the, the fantastic team here at supply chain now is, is doing all the final prep for that. And, uh, it will get released tomorrow. Um, and it’s a first time point of view from, uh, Monica Trish who is with in for, and, um, what she takes us through is kind of interesting because her focus is, is on increasing transparency versus visibility. So you’re gonna have to listen in to, to understand what that means, but a number of really good examples of what transparency can be, bring in a network versus simply visibility. Yep.

Scott Luton (00:44:01):

Excellent. Looking forward to that. Um, and thank you, Stacy. I hope this finds you well. Great to have you back with us here on LinkedIn. Uh, I was gonna check that out. Tempus, appreciate that. Definitely gonna subscribe. Hey, I appreciate you doing that. <laugh> um, so we got through all of our stories earlier than expected. So I wanna, I wanna pose a question out and get y’all, uh, get your take. Um, but also wanna, Hey Amanda, <laugh> drop, drop TRS sermon in the links, uh, of Tempus. Wanna take a look, let’s do that. He is, he’s such a talented, talented, um, individual. Um, all right, so here’s a question as, gosh, it’s December 13th, 2021 already Corin. So I wanna throw this question out there to, to all of our listeners, um, you know, what’s one of your highlights the year, whether it’s a personal accomplishment, whether it’s a per, um, a professional accomplishment, whether it’s something your company did, whether someone you admire out in industry, right. We were talking about how Tyson foods in a record year found a way to give back, um, and really wrote that check to so many members of its workforce and can to do so. What’s, what’s one of your highlights for this year. So Karin, I’m gonna put you on the spot again as, as you. Well, I,

Karin Bursa (00:45:20):

You can put me on the spot whenever, whenever you’d like, <laugh>,

Scott Luton (00:45:25):

What’s your,

Karin Bursa (00:45:25):

Um, yeah, one of the things, so, so I guess two factors, one, I think, um, employee appreciation is at the highest level it’s ever been. So I think as employers look at their talent, um, they are valuing that talent very differently today than they did 36 months ago. Um, and I think that’s a good thing. I, I think that it, it, it brings, you know, it makes, it makes the feel better, right? And, and that they’re respected and appreciated for the work that they’re doing. Um, so I, I think that that’s been really interesting to see. So I like some of the changes that have taken place, um, throughout the industry in different roles, um, in, in the area of just, um, you know, retaining employees and doing some of the right things to retain, uh, talent in an organization. The other is, you know, is something that’s near and dear to my heart, Scott, and that’s all around the digital supply chain.

Karin Bursa (00:46:24):

And just seeing the benefits that are coming from better supply chain planning, right? And leveraging artificial and intelligence or machine learning or analytics to help every employee, every planner in the supply team be more productive. So whether we’re doing things like rationalizing a product portfolio, to make sure we get more efficient production, or we are adopting to new demand patterns, you know, takeout versus in restaurant dining, for example. Right. Um, I, I think that, you know, we are gonna continue to see really big advances in the digital planning, um, as the market finds a new normal, um, I don’t think we’ll go back to the way people shopped and dined and, um, you know, in a variety of other activity prior to COVID, but I think we’ll be looking for new patterns overall and have to align our supply chains to be truly multichannel omnichannel in the way, uh, many, many businesses go to market. Excellent

Scott Luton (00:47:29):

Point. Uh, so, so many, uh, on those two that you shared, um, I wanna share lucky. This is a great, um, call out here transparency versus visibility, because those are two very big, different things. So lucky. I appreciate you being with us here today and dry your knowledge, uh, transparency versus visibility. That’s a whole, um, I’ve just started to go to when I saw that pop in my mind started to go down that rabbit hole. Cause there’s so much there there’s so much there in that trying to balance that equation. Uh, let’s see. Well, listen in TekTok publishers tomorrow, we’ll take you through that. That’s right. TekTok, digital supply chain pod find at wherever you get your podcast from AJ. Hey, I appreciate that. AJ has subscribed to tech talk. That is wonderful. Um, let’s see here. I’m gonna share Sylvia. Sylvia says employee appreciation should be a daily occurrence been doing that for 30 plus years.

Scott Luton (00:48:27):

Not just during the time of crisis. Completely agree. Uh, Sylvia, it should be part of the culture, part of the pattern, part of, uh, part of what you do day in and day out. We all, I, I think it’s probably fair to say. We probably all don’t do enough of it. I know. I, I certainly could do a lot more. Uh, it, you get caught up in the moment of getting production and meeting milestones, all this stuff. Yep. And you forget to think, especially really meaningfully thank the people that, that make that happen. So a lot of good stuff there. Thank you, Sylvia. Peter says mine is meeting all you great folks from supply chain. Now how about that? You’re the best <laugh> in the mail. <laugh> so many, the new connections made through your platform. Thank you made a transition year, became reductive and enjoyful after retiring in May, 2020.

Scott Luton (00:49:14):

After I wanna say, I always get this wrong, Peter, but, uh, a couple of decades, I’ll, I’ll call it with Eric Canada. We enjoyed have enjoyed talking with Peter several appearances and recorded podcasts. He says participated in, allowed for me to share my experiences and thoughts. And well, of course the sky box here, Peter, you’re a regular contributor and we have enjoyed your perspective on that note. We’re gonna keep Amanda and jaded and the team busy today. Let’s find Peter’s episode where he and I chatted through some of his experiences and let’s drop that in the comments as well. If we could, Stacy, I should say my highlight has been the progression of digital procurement or nice is so much easier. Now, Stacy, I, I, I’m assuming you’re a procurement professional and I love that perspective. I love when we can make, especially the blocking and tackling easy so that we can allow our colleagues and team members and professionals to move to more value added, uh, where they’re, you know, bringing their expertise to bear.

Scott Luton (00:50:15):

So I love that. But on the flip side, Karin, well, I’m not gonna throw, I’m not gonna bring you into this, but I’ll tell you that I have seen firsthand procurement purgatory. And it seems like this has been <laugh> now it’s, this has been the year. And what I mean by that, uh, is, you know, there’s been so many new procurement platforms that all these companies, especially larger companies have brought in place and it’s created, I’ve seen not always, but oftentimes a lot of confusion, lot of redundant, um, information sharing of private. I mean, this, there there’s some security, uh, windows of opportunity. I’ll call it that this can create. Now. I’m not, I’m not, uh, uh, taking a broad brush and painting across all those procurement platforms. It’s all about what I’ve seen. At least how you incorporate it into how you do business. There’s some companies that do it really well. There are, and then there’s others there. And there’s

Karin Bursa (00:51:15):

Some that think they do it really well. And it’s not, it’s not customer focused. Right. Right. And, and I’m sure that’s not, you know, I’m sure that’s not what what’s being shared here with the digital, um, procurement that, that Stacy had to say, um, because it really can be life changing for them. Right. They get out of the grind and spreadsheets and, you know, green screens and, um, just a, a, a host of, of challenges to get all that valuable information in one place and help make better decisions for their businesses each and every day. So, um, I do think that it, it a digital right, digital procurement, digital supply team planning, um, really does help with job satisfaction as well. So when we go back to that, um, that, that theme, if you will, of recruiting and retaining talent, giving that talent, the tools they need to do the job at the caliber that they want to do and make them feel good about it. I, I think that’s a huge opportunity as

Scott Luton (00:52:11):

Well. Agreed. And I also, with, as we’re talking about, um, uh, some great examples there, I think knowing when to intervene and, you know, we, we we’ve seen, especially with some of the, um, the world class great executing companies when their procurement leaders intervene because a process wasn’t going as it was designed, or yep. When, when legal councils understood the nature of, of a campaign or a nature of, of the date involved and they make common sense adjustments, they’re still, it just brings to my mind, uh, once for the me time, human, right, as as much technology and AI and machine learning and platforms, this and platform that humans still make it all happen. So, uh, wanna share a couple other things. David says his has been spending time with my daughter, seeing the country and sharing my ventures with all new friends I’ve made this year. David, come on, let’s see some pictures of, uh, of what you’ve been up to Peter 25 years and a few months with air Canada. Thank you for that clarification. Uh, Roline says, uh, as we’re sharing great things this year at the organization level diversity and employee wellness engagement from our leadership has been phenomenal. A personal goal was to maintain business service levels at pre COVID performance levels mean we maintained and exceeded wow. Our fill rate. How about that Karin? That is to

Karin Bursa (00:53:39):

Be celebrated. That is really fantastic. Congratulations to you and your team for achieving that. That’s that’s

Scott Luton (00:53:46):

Wonderful. Agreed. Agreed. Thank you for sharing and Stacy, this is good stuff here too. I think the confusion comes in going back to procurement when different people trying to micromanage a procurement department and D disregard us in the boardroom, I should say done right. Is life changing. That’s excellent point Stacy. Excellent point. And I appreciate what you do. I appreciate all the, all the great people that make procurement and sourcing, um, um, activities happen. Of course, they’re integral to how global, uh, they’re, they’re critical. They’re paramount to global supply chain, uh, functionality and execution.

Karin Bursa (00:54:24):

So I, I probably plug dial P here too. If, if any of our audience today, hasn’t listened in to dial P for procurement, take a listen, and you’ll get to hear from Kelly Barner and her guests on a regular basis around the procurement process. And some of the, um, really interesting innovations that are happening in that area.

Scott Luton (00:54:44):

Excellent point cor excellent point. And <affirmative> also, uh, a little, another little plug is, uh, Peter mentioned his new venture. He is, uh, he’s doing some strategic consulting. I, and probably a lot of it in that procurement space. Y’all check out Peter Bole and connect with him on LinkedIn and beyond. Okay. He’ll keep

Karin Bursa (00:55:02):

It real. I’ll tell you that inspiration, but he’ll, he’ll let you know where to, where to

Scott Luton (00:55:10):

Spend your time. I love it. That is a good point. And that’s what makes Peter special. Hey, uh, feedback is a blessing as always, well, Hey, it is again, folks check out TekTok, digital supply chain podcast, wherever you get your podcast from and be sure to be on the lookout for the next epic, so that we’ll be dropping tomorrow with our friends at M four. Okay. Uh, you know, I didn’t create a graphic for it, Karin, but before we close, I wanna make sure folks are how to connect with you. But here really quick, uh, I dove into for this in business history, which you can also find wherever you get your podcast from. I dove into some things that folks probably didn’t know about the Kentucky fried chicken business model and Ben and Jerry’s. But what I didn’t know, or maybe I’d forgotten that Colonel Sanders, which was new military title, it was an honor terrific title bestowed upon him by the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

Scott Luton (00:56:01):

And there’s been a lot of folks, a lot of Kentucky colonels. In fact, that was a former NBA basketball team because there’s been so many Kentucky Colonel anyway, um, he was so focused and confident in his ability to build a, a, a fried chicken enterprise that in his sixties, before he even landed his first franchise, which was happened to be in, in salt lake city, uh, Utah, he was traveling the country in his car, sleeping in the backseat because he was, he was, um, he was living on savings and about a hundred, five bucks in social security per month, but he didn’t let his age nor the, um, you know, any obstacles getting away. So, and once he went, once he met Pete Harmon, I think it’s his name in salt lake city, Utah. And they, they finalized that first franchisee agreement in partnership. The rest is all history and, and now some 24,000 locations globally, which wouldn’t have happened if, uh, Mr. One Colonel Sanders wanted the comforts of life rather than whatever it took to make his vision happen. So, um, y’all check that out this in business history, Karin, um, uh, hopefully you, nor I have to sleep in the backseat of our cars. <laugh> any point in time coming up, but how can and folks connect with one only cor person?

Karin Bursa (00:57:27):

Yeah, I would love it. If you would connect with me on LinkedIn, it’s a great place. You can also link over to the tech talk page in LinkedIn and, and see some of the recent episodes there. Or you can go to the supply chain now.com website, which they have a full library. I’m bringing a full circle back to, uh, the part with a Azure arc who, uh, worked with the team at, uh, supply chain now to come up with the current design and make it easy for you to find episodes. So, Scott, I think you said there’s over 800 episodes to choose from now.

Scott Luton (00:57:56):

Uh, we’re approaching that in the main channel, I believe, I think, um, okay. 7 87 90. We’re close. And then of course when you’ve factor in, uh, I’m not sure how many episodes we’ve got for TekTok. We probably have about 60 with, uh, business history, uh, 50 or so with veteran voices. I mean, it really we’re, uh, layers on top of that. Okay. So it’s, it’s exciting. Very good. And that’s why that, that’s why that search tool is so important. Important, right? So, Hey, speaking of veteran voices, Tony brown just wrapped up a 30 year career in the military supply logistics looking to share his experiences in the civilian sector. Tony, you can’t just tease that and, and take off, tell us what branch and you know, who knows. Maybe we can interview you on better voices and share some of what you saw over a three day decade military career. So thank you for sharing. Uh, and if you also, one other thing, Tony, if you’ve got a LinkedIn profile, you may be putting some irons in the fire for what’s next on the, on the civilian side, Hey, drop your LinkedIn profile and the comments, and we’ll see if we can’t, uh, help, help you make some connections. So that’s congratulations. I appreciate what you’ve done. Thank you. In the that’s right. Right. All right. We appreciate it. Uh, as always, Amanda is keeping on my toes seven, who’s

Karin Bursa (00:59:12):

Keeping it real. The stats come

Scott Luton (00:59:14):

In 7 87 published today with our dear friends at Von great interview with Christine Barnhardt, which I know, you know, uh, Corrine. She joined the VEing team and they are on the move. Lemme tell you, uh, and Peter, Hey Peter, <laugh>, you’re the third star of the show today. Uh, great. Chad. He had it with Kelly Barner. I love her, uh, the sourcing hero podcast. Y’all check out that link too. Okay. Karin. We have, I’ve got check, check, check, check, check. One last thing I’m gonna ask you, and then we’re gonna sign off what, um, what’s one tradition that the Bura household really enjoys as we get into holiday season here,

Karin Bursa (00:59:55):

The Bursa household, the Bursa household enjoys, um, just getting together and, uh, and usually there’s a sporting event on the TV and there’s food involved for those of you that don’t know I’ve I have two adult sons, um, and my husband is right in there with them. So, um, and even, even my dog is male. So everything that happens here is, is kind of like a clubhouse. Love it. Uh, and so I look forward to that, uh, anytime they’re home in town, whatever. So getting, getting excited to, uh, to see them in the, uh, in the

Scott Luton (01:00:29):

Days ahead. I love that. Well, happy holidays, Merry Christmas, happy new year to all including the Bursa family, including Rex, one of our favorite. He’s one of the supply chain now mascots. Um, but Hey folks, thank you so much for tuning in here today and thanks for joining Karin Bursa and, uh, Karin Bursa and I on the supply chain buzz, we love getting the comments and experiences and, and, uh, POV I’ll drop in the sky boxes. You can find us every Monday at 12 noon Eastern time. Yeah, we may take, uh, a Monday or two off as we get through the holidays, but, uh, we we’ll be in the new year on behalf of the entire team. Again, big, thanks, Amanda and Jada behind scenes, helping to make production happen, uh, on behalf of all of us challenge you, like we challenge ourselves every single day. Do good, give forward, be the change that’s needed. And on that note, we’ll see you next time, right back here on supply chain now. Thanks everybody.

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