Scott Luton (00:00):

Good morning, everybody. Scott Luton was supply chain. Now here, you know, our work to support and invest in our veteran community is very important to our team. And to me personally, I’m honored to continue our give forward work on this veteran voices series, which is a very unique component to our supply chain now programming. And it’s got a very simple mission to amplify the voice of our veterans, their spouses and veteran advocates. So typically our veteran voices programming is published to its own podcast channel, which you can find wherever you get your podcasts from, but to kick off season three and in partnership with our dear friends at vets to industry, our team is proud to present the special episode here today on supply chain now, thanks for doing

Scott Luton (00:48):

Welcome to veteran voices, a podcast dedicated to giving a voice to those that have served in the United States, armed forces on this series jointly presented by supply chain now, and vets to industry. We sit down with a wide variety of veterans and veteran advocates to gain their insights, perspective and stories from serving. We talked with many individuals about their challenging transition from active duty to the private sector, and we discussed some of the most vital issues facing veterans today. Join us for this episode of veteran voices.

Kevin L. Jackson (01:30):

Hey good.

Scott Luton (01:31):

And everybody’s Scott Luton and Kevin L. Jackson with you here on veteran voices. Welcome to today’s show Kevin Hayden.

Kevin L. Jackson (01:38):

Hey, I’m doing great. I’m really excited about today’s show.

Scott Luton (01:43):

I am too. We have an outstanding episode. One more teed up with really a passionate veterans advocate, and we’re gonna learn a lot more about what she’s doing, what she’s leading some of her, uh, key insights and takeaways and, uh, have a great conversation. A lot of fun while we do it. Kevin, you bulk it up. Ready to go.

Kevin L. Jackson (02:00):

Oh yeah, absolutely. Awesome. Jeez.

Scott Luton (02:05):

So stay tuned spoken like the former Naval aviator right on Tom Kevin. So stay tuned for an intriguing conversation. A couple of programming it’s before you get started. So this program of course, is part of our supply chain. Now family programming. It’s part of our gift forward programming. We’re very passionate about supporting our fellow veterans and that, that community. We also partner with a great nonprofit called vets to industry, which is all about a clearing house of helping veterans find resources, oftentimes at no cost to help them get through their transition or get through, get through life. So be sure to check out vets to industry.com, powerful nonprofit, helping veterans everywhere. Okay. So Kevin, we ready to introduce the guests?

Kevin L. Jackson (02:48):

Yeah. I’m I’m been waiting here. Come on. Right. That’s taking so long. You never want to disappoint Kevin L. Jackson,

Scott Luton (02:55):

No further do you want to bring in our featured guests here? We, uh, our guest serves as an adjunct assistant professor at the university of Calgary. She’s also president and an executive officer with the Walden virtual Fulbright board. Don’t try to sit up too fast. Our guest is actively involved, also consulting with companies on strategy, change management and technology. And as I mentioned, she’s a tireless advocate for the veteran community and for changing in general, being that change. So join me in welcoming Nadia Delanoy P H D Nadia, how are you?

Nadia Delanoy (03:28):

I’m doing well. Thank you for having me Scott and Kevin.

Scott Luton (03:32):

You bet. Well, you know, we enjoyed our pre-show conversation. I’ve also enjoyed seeing you in action, uh, facilitate events and conversations and dialogue, which helps awareness, which also helps drive and change. Right. You gotta be aware of some of the change that needs to take place and I really, yeah.

Nadia Delanoy (03:51):

Constant.

Scott Luton (03:53):

Mm excellent point, excellent point. And, and, and the change isn’t constant, it’s a change we’re trying to make constant, right? Yeah. And you know, so Kevin, Nadia has been a big part of that, you know, assembling, shepherding, you know, we all know this plethora of, uh, virtual events, you know, finding veterans to share their experiences and, and from all walks of life and not ever really appreciated that. You’re your emo, quite frankly. So today we’re going to flip the script. We’re going to learn a lot more about you and share you with our veteran voices community. So let’s start with the easy question, you know, where are you from and give us a few anecdotes about your upbringing.

Nadia Delanoy (04:29):

Thanks, Scott. So I’m from Calgary, uh, in Alberta, Canada, and I grew up two and a half hours from the big city I’m in, in a small ranching community, actually one of the second Brown families in the community. And, uh, I grew up in a stretch family. So that means that my parents taught me to be an athlete as much as an academic, as much as a musician and singer. So I was very lucky and I grew up in a family where my brother had cerebral palsy. And so we learned to be very accommodating and understanding and empathetic all the way through. And I think that truly is what led me to become part of the change at a young age and be an advocate in education as much as veterans, uh, development, as much as for healthcare and, uh, programming.

Scott Luton (05:15):

Wow. Okay. So you’ve shared a lot there and I want to dive into, uh, and we will throughout the course of this, this hour or so, but on a lighter note, you mentioned sports singing, of course, students, um, uh, studying stuff out of all of those, what was your favorite? And then why?

Nadia Delanoy (05:33):

So I’ve coached varsity volleyball and been a trainer for varsity basketball. So those were my favorite in truth, and I still play regular volleyball and beach volleyballs. So I would say that has kept me just throughout my life being well. And, uh, yeah, just lucky to be able to have those opportunities,

Scott Luton (05:53):

That grit, great stress relievers to unplug it outside

Kevin L. Jackson (05:58):

And,

Nadia Delanoy (05:58):

And, uh, spike the volleyball. Yeah.

Kevin L. Jackson (06:01):

I’ll tell you after the show, I’m going to have to get with you because my granddaughter, she lives just South of Washington, uh, South to Seattle in Washington state. So she plays volleyball actually. Uh, she graduated from hospital last year. She’s in college right now, but, um, the thing I was really impressed already by you is that term I’ve never heard before. She said I grew up in a stretch family. I love that term. So you are produced by a family that made you really extend your worldview. Absolutely. Is probably has a lot to do with why you are working with the Walden virtual Fulbright board. Is that, that seems to be something that people should really stretch towards. Is, is that right? What, what is it?

Nadia Delanoy (06:59):

Yeah, so the Walden Fulbright board is a derivative of the Fulbright association. So there’s only 50 chapters across the United States and they’re dedicated to cultural exchange and understanding diplomacy and advocacy and various other international, uh, approaches. And so we host, or we can develop programming that supports a variety of aspects. Uh, there’s one university, that’s doing a work in poetry and others that are doing a huge change projects in Haiti and across the United States and others that are committed to developing their own voice. So understanding international exchange.

Kevin L. Jackson (07:43):

Wow. That’s, that’s really exciting when I was in the military. Uh, one of the things that sort of looked at becoming was a, um, embassy outta shape, right. And, uh, you know, but I’m horrible at languages. I couldn’t, I couldn’t really, really good, be good at language. I used to live in Monterey where they had the, um, offense, uh, Institute out there, university out there. And I went to the Naval war college and I learned a lot about how the community of nations need to interact and work, work with each other. So Walden, this Fulbright board seems to be very much in place. How does it really support the veteran community? I could, I could see a lot of work.

Nadia Delanoy (08:30):

Yeah. So Walden itself has a robust veteran community, but within our boards this year and following it’s been our initiative to support really just the transition of veterans into civilian life. And I like to call it clearing the path. There’s lots of paths you can take to wellness and the ability to transition, and maybe those paths are overwhelming for most. And so our role is to streamline it and give a voice really for what’s going on in the veteran space.

Scott Luton (09:01):

I love that for a variety of different reasons. So let’s talk about these veterans focused events that, where we met and really admired your approach. I was speaking of earlier, it really enjoyed the folks. We met the other veterans and veteran advocates that shared their point of view and their experiences, um, through all those conversations. And it seems like as I, as we’re connected on social, you’re constantly going, facilitating some discussion, which is wonderful. What have been some of your key takeaways, especially as it relates to veteran issues, the veteran, the veteran experience VX, we should coin that Kevin. Yeah. What, what are some of the things that you’ve really made a note, maybe common themes that come up all the time? What are some of those key takeaways?

Nadia Delanoy (09:42):

I think a one that underpins everything is just the importance of giving purpose or helping them find a purpose. Again, as we’ve talked about it in the sessions we did with you, Scott, many of the veterans and researchers, um, and, uh, psychologist discussed the impact of transitioning to civilian life and then how you have to revision yourself. And, uh, so that to me was definitely a key takeaway in the work that we’re doing to help people re image. And, uh, certainly as we all know, just some of those systemic barriers to supporting, uh, the transition to civilian life, those being access to services, homelessness, mental health, the need of support, and even just at the like tier one level that being for those that are high functioning, but just needs that little bit of support to keep their day to day going. I think we often plunge into the imminent or dire aspects and forget about the larger population that’s actually managing. And, um, that’s what our work centers around

Scott Luton (10:50):

Love that, uh, two quick followup points there, first one where you started, you know, the importance of finding your purpose and, uh, you know, Kevin, we’ve talked about that on a variety of shows. You had a great quotable quote. Last time Kevin was, we were talking with the folks, the great leaders from project vet. And I can’t, I’m not gonna get it word for word, but basically you said, if you don’t find your purpose in life, you’re just wasting away. Yeah. It wasn’t quite like that, but it was something similar.

Kevin L. Jackson (11:17):

No, no, you have to have your passion. Yeah. You have to have a passion for whatever you’re doing or you’re bound to fail, fail. Right. You have to want it, you have to need it. And I can, I can see a lot of passion from Nadia.

Scott Luton (11:33):

Yes. And spades. Huh. And then the second thing you listed a variety of, uh, issues that we all hear about, especially if you, you know, you you’re a veteran or if you’re plugged into that community, uh, you listed a lot of different things. I would just add one more to that list. And that is the veteran entrepreneur, you know, think there’s so much potential, um, in our, our veterans that, that make them can, it can oftentimes make them perfect entrepreneurs. However, like, like I was, when I, uh, launched my business, I didn’t know. Well, Amanda, my wife would still tell you that I don’t know anything. I really didn’t know anything a few years ago when we launched our first business in 2013. And I, and I think helping veterans find those, whether they’re mentors that can help them, you know, see their path or just the resources, the funding, you name it and that space and Kevin under this one thing you’re passionate about too, right?

Kevin L. Jackson (12:25):

Yeah. One of the things we had another veteran’s board show and we were, it wasn’t a show actually it was one of the side meetings every once in a while, Scott and I get on calls, we’re transitioning veterans. And there were two that wonder transition into the supply chain industry. And surprisingly, you know, the civilians were reading their resumes and although these were military offices, couldn’t relate to the supply chain and logistics work that they were doing in the military. Um, so they really couldn’t get the interviews or the, they couldn’t get notice in, in the process. And I’m sure that’s a challenge. When you were talking about Nadia, you were talking about the high functioning people. I mean, they were, there was nothing wrong with them, but it was a language barrier more than anything else.

Nadia Delanoy (13:23):

Yeah. And it, it’s interesting, you know, in our day and age, we talk about people that need to be cognitive cognitively flexible or creative in their thinking and people who run logistics, they’re so agile, they’re able to hop from one thing to another and really develop a plan in the midst of what could be chaos. And people don’t necessarily understand those competencies are so immense. You can’t build them. And most of the population don’t have them because they’re a product of the traditional learning system. So I get it for sure.

Kevin L. Jackson (13:56):

Yeah. I see that you, uh, you really have this passion that comes out and, uh, no, the audience loves it, but God’s going to get mad at me right here. But because I really want to understand how you stretch. You can’t call it a stretch family. I haven’t say so. So what do you, let’s shift gears a little bit here. What do you do beyond the WVF B you know, what do you do professionally? I mean, you’re, you’re, you are clearly learn it. You are a professor at a university, you run your business, you’re a consultant. Wow. You play volleyball. Come on, tell us more.

Nadia Delanoy (14:39):

I think I’m really blessed. And, and, um, more so because you would call me an interdisciplinary, like someone who lives in multiple disciplines and I really do. And I think, you know, we’re born into world seeing the sky and trees and everything in its beauty. And then all of a sudden we’re pegged down to know that a tree is green with Brown, you know, um, soil around it and a, and a trunk. And, and I think I’ve been able to, through my family push beyond that. And so like you, Kevin and Scott, who are entrepreneurs in your own, right. And in cutting edge industry, um, I’m able to help and see the problem space and multiple vantage points. So the projects I do have been international in nature, mostly in educational development and technology integration. And you would think that education and tech are, you know, sort of at two ends of the spectrum, but in truth, as you know, Kevin, I’m sure more than any of us on this panel that truly that infrastructure, which is typically learning or education comes before any sort of technological medium. And that’s what helps organizations, projects, everything be successful. And so that’s that space that I think I occupy that many don’t see because in our world we’re taught to, um, be maybe deep in our understanding, but lack the breadth. And I think I luckily have been blessed to have both.

Kevin L. Jackson (16:06):

Yeah, that’s something, uh, I see a lot of in business, everyone who wants to put you in your own pigeonhole, you do this, you don’t do that, just focus on this and what you do. And if you’re not interdisciplinary, like you are, you can’t see the connections between everything. So I’m sure you learned a lot of, we’ve all learned a lot during the past year and up [inaudible], I’ve always said. that it’s the first time the entire human population went through a significant event that really affected everyone in sort of the same way. But not only that, we were able to communicate in real time constantly about what was happening. And that was a lesson to me in and of itself. What were, you know, as a fellow interdisciplinarian, what were the lessons you learned, uh, from that pandemic on how the, the world has sort of responded to it? Any, any key aha moment for you?

Nadia Delanoy (17:19):

I think, um, a couple are that humanity is beautiful, even in a pandemic,

Kevin L. Jackson (17:26):

You know, people,

Nadia Delanoy (17:28):

You know, band together or you’ve seen so much change, even in terms of the digital space and people leveraging it to move their companies or their passion space, whatever it would be. And I think that tells us that there is hope, and maybe this was a check on our society and humanity to make sure we were moving in the right direction. I have no idea, but the other key takeaway is, and I think this is just a natural state for everyone, including, probably in your book. It would be curious to read that, that you just keep ticking. You just keep moving, don’t stop, don’t stop. And, you know, yes, the pandemic for many, it’s a challenging place to be, but honestly, um, it helped all, a lot of us just regroup and center ourselves and, and stop the noise that was around us. And it forced us to sort of be. And I think that was, um, something, especially for someone like me that runs a mile a minute, as you both do. Um, that was a blessing truthfully.

Kevin L. Jackson (18:31):

Yeah. I’ll tell you one of the things that, you know, some people see last year, it’s a pause that everything stopped, but in reality, it accelerated so many things. You mentioned about the adoption of technology and actually the way we leverage technology now more than ever to communicate. Um, so I think that’s really good.

Nadia Delanoy (18:52):

Oh, absolutely. I think being that innovative mindset and understanding that technology is not a limitation and, you know, for those naysayers out there who may be by virtue of their age or integration points, they just feared. And really the root of everything of non change is fear. They fear the tech and now they’re embracing it because they just needed the moment to see it. And that again was part of the pandemic bonus

Scott Luton (19:21):

So much there that I’d love to unpack and dissect over the next three hours, starting with humanity is beautiful folks. We’ve got our podcast episode title, uh, that that’s always as simple as it sounds. That’s always tricky, but that’s such a powerful, simple but important view. And, and certainly lesson learned from, by so many, uh, during this, this incredibly challenging time, uh, it makes me think of a couple of follow-up questions for you, Nadia. Um, the first one is we were talking well for that matter, if folks can’t tell already, and just in the last 30 minutes or so, Natalie is very deliberate, intentional, purposeful, and action driven. And, and we were talking about being the change, right? That’s really important to you. And clearly it’s evident in how in your approach. It’s not lip service it’s doing, doing, doing, uh, as a wonderful guest earlier today, shared on our livestream, uh, share Cassandra also PhD said, do the work you want advance. You want to drive change, do the work you’re going to be respected. You want to, um, uh, earn credentials and, and get promoted. Do the work was like a mantra. I love that, but not why is doing, being taken action. Why is that so important to you?

Nadia Delanoy (20:37):

I think because I grew up, I think in a family where you did have to advocate to move the needle, um, just the dip into personal, then go back to professional. Um, my brother grew up in a period where cerebral palsy was seen as a musculature disorder and really it’s a nervous system disorder. And so my mom was a tremendous advocate in that arena to move change. And, and I think I learned from a very young age, how to voice the need and to be part of the change. And so jumping into the professional world of today, your live speaker is absolutely right. I think if we don’t act and harness our strengths and move our networks and develop partnerships, we’ll just stay isolated and stair Island. And I think part of that in the Walden Fulbright board is that we have a significant network of people, as you can imagine in that echelon that can dedicate time and, and promote what’s happening in the veterans world as they transition and help, uh, be part of the pipeline to access resources and to, uh, find supports in terms of wellness so that they can do the day to day.

Nadia Delanoy (21:55):

And so I think the rewards in the change process is, is not necessarily who we are per se, but just seeing that in a world that can oftentimes feel overwhelming for many. There are those of us that are, are, are moving the needle for change.

Scott Luton (22:15):

Yeah. Agreed, love that. And it is, it is so important because so many, so many folks and I’m guilty as charged at times my journey, we wait for others to do it right. And it’s, it’s so important to me to be a doer. So I love that sentiment. Nadia, follow up question. So kind of, you know, obviously here at veteran voices are our emphasis and main customer voice is about those that have served and clearly you’re, you’re passionate, uh, for serving the veteran community. We didn’t ask you. I don’t, I don’t think why is that? What is your, why when it comes to veterans?

Nadia Delanoy (22:49):

So I just think it makes me laugh when I tell this story. So I was an air cadets, iron’s Mike ladders license, and everyone makes fun of me. I don’t know why, but they just can’t put it together. Yeah, absolutely. And my father worked for the British side as a heavy duty mechanic. And so he’d come home with stories and talk about the challenges. Although Britain has a tremendous support system for their veterans. Um, but I think as soon as this came around as an opportunity, it was really easy to know that I had the ability and our team is tremendous and we could make some change in this area.

Scott Luton (23:29):

I love that, you know, as we all know, sitting here, the maintainers are so incredible are, and so in critical whether it’s supply chain or the military, they, they keep things moving and they never get any, never get any recognition of the pilots, get all that, get all the love, Kevin as well. You know, we deserve it. No,

Kevin L. Jackson (23:49):

I tell you I was on a first name basis with, uh, uh, uh, tire, uh, crew. In fact, while I was in the military, I’ve ran the, uh, avionics maintenance, uh, group for awhile and, um, and, and the whole maintenance, um, organization, uh, and, uh, launch quadrant. So I I’ve really learned a lot just being, you depend upon the people who maintain your, your aircraft. You know, you, you, you know, really when you get shot off the pointy end of that, that boat, you know, you just prayed that your engines are going to run. And the last person that was in that, uh, Nussle is a maintenance person, you know, making sure that your, your plane is good. It’s ready to go. So, no, no. I have all kinds of respect and loyalty to the maintainers. That’s for sure.

Scott Luton (24:42):

Amen. So big, thanks to your father, uh, Nadia, what’s your father’s name?

Nadia Delanoy (24:47):

His name was Mac. That was his nickname.

Scott Luton (24:50):

Okay. Well, big thanks. And certainly I appreciate all of his work, uh, keeping those aircraft moving, so let’s make sure folks know. Well, Kevin, I’ll ask you one question, cause we were talking earlier, uh, clearly the Fulbright, uh, organization, the Walden, uh, let me get this right. Walden virtual Fulbright board. Part of the Fulbright organization is, uh, leading that community of nations work that you, you kind of the phrase you used, Kevin Wright and Nadia, I’m a board member of the Kevin L. Jackson fan club. If you haven’t, if you haven’t seen already, but someone shared an image, Kevin, just right here, recently of you meeting someone, a leader in the middle East. I can’t remember who it is, right this second,

Kevin L. Jackson (25:37):

Right. It was the, um, uh, pro uh, crown Prince of buttering. Oh, wow. Yeah, I was, uh, over there, um, doing, doing some work and, uh, I got, uh, audience with the crown Prince and, uh, yeah, that was, that was really beautiful. Actually. I’ve done some work. Uh we’re in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, well, around the world in a lot of different places, but it was, uh, a year ago on April 13th that, uh, got an audience with the crown Prince, you know, things like that or, or, uh, kind of, uh, uh, memories of a lifetime.

Nadia Delanoy (26:13):

Absolutely. And even just their perspective, geopolitically, it would be amazing to see and hear where they’re at, what they’re thinking economically and, you know, is it aligned or how does it look in the bigger space?

Scott Luton (26:28):

Excellent point. So on that note, one final question I want to pose to you, and then we’ll make sure folks know how to connect with, uh, Nadia. So, you know, global dialogue, right? Clearly the pandemic, as we, unfortunately, all found out was not a localized issue. It was a global issue, right? There’s plenty of other global issues facing us, you know, from human trafficking to, I mean, really you name it, climate change, no shortage. Right? Talk to us about just how important it is to be that facilitator, helping broker, that dialogue and conversations amongst, you know, folks globally that come from different walks of life, have different customs, have different worldviews. How important of a role is that? Not just for you, but plenty of others that may be aspiring to be and do what you do.

Nadia Delanoy (27:14):

Great question. I think it’s immensely important to find the common ground and that common ground, as you actually said, Scott earlier is about our stories and part of what Kevin’s doing in his book and our stories really can, um, bring us together, whether it’s family stories or growing up or whatever it would be. And, uh, just an example, we did some work with Haiti a year ago, and Haiti’s a nation, as you know, that has had historical strife period. And we worked with high school students and early adults who were trying to transition, uh, into job space and workplace readiness and their first area that we needed to talk about. I think just to help us be on a common playing field with their history and their two languages and that they really speak in a dialect that they that’s homegrown, but isn’t connected in terms of the understanding and the global community.

Nadia Delanoy (28:16):

And so we did shift a lot of our languaging to respect that part of their history. And I think sometimes, and it’s maybe a Western liberal thing and maybe this isn’t a political platform at all, but maybe for us in developing worlds, it’s easy to make an assumption that we are already speaking the same language, air quote. And, uh, I think sometimes understanding the basis of where people come from and why they’re in the positions. They are can move, you know, threefold more than, than us super imposing our values or our will, or understanding on them. And, and that goes for large change processes too, which I think both of you can speak to.

Kevin L. Jackson (29:02):

No, I think that’s, that’s one of the things that most people really under-appreciate is history, right. Or I say what had happened so long ago and it wasn’t in my country on my neighborhood, but what’s really important to know is that although history does not repeat people always say it does rhyme an awful lot. Right. And it ROMs across national boundaries. It rounds across local groups, dialect across languages. And when you learn the history of other people’s, you learn more about your own history. So, um, I’m a technologist, but I love history. And I would, you know, I’ll tell anybody, whatever you do for a living learn, understand and appreciate history.

Nadia Delanoy (30:00):

Absolutely.

Scott Luton (30:02):

Politically still that history may not repeat, but it rhymes steal that from you. Um, that’s such a great line. Um, going back to what you shared, Nadia, I really appreciate that. Yup. One of the things I kind of heard you speak to, or maybe imply was you got to go meet and serve people where they are. Right. We all make assumptions as part of being human and they’re, you know, some are much more harmless than others, but really seek first understanding and go and meet and serve the folks where they are. I love that, that story you shared about Haiti. Um, okay. So Nadia, I want to make sure folks know how to connect with you and admire the work you do, uh, really admire, especially now that I’ve got a fuller sense of your point of view. I really, really have enjoyed it and hopefully folks will enjoy as much as Kevin and I have. How can folks connect with you, Nadia?

Nadia Delanoy (30:55):

I think the easiest, honestly, Kevin or sorry, Scott is LinkedIn. And um, and then just by email, which is my first name, Madea dot delanoy@ucalgary.ca

Scott Luton (31:09):

Wonderful. Now, when does your book come out? Because I know you gotta be writing one naughty

Kevin L. Jackson (31:14):

And if you’re not, you better be,

Nadia Delanoy (31:16):

We have a list of possible bucks for sure. But I just haven’t had the time that could be a half retirement plan, perhaps. Yeah.

Kevin L. Jackson (31:26):

Uh, you got to say, you need to put it in the book for posterity. People can learn from you not only today, but in the future X

Scott Luton (31:35):

And Kevin, I couldn’t have said it better than what you shared there. Speaking of books, I gotta, I gotta ask Kevin Kevin’s, Kevin’s a humble guy, but he’s got so many projects going on and had to go, go through his army of agents just to get him booked with me here with you today. So quit lists, quit lists is your latest book. And you shared that it has hit the USA today, top 100 best sellers. So tell us what, what is the book, Kevin? And, uh, before we sign off here,

Kevin L. Jackson (32:01):

So quick list, the power of persistence in business and life as a lot of what Nadia said, right? You have to be passionate in what you do and, and quit list is an anthology of some of the world’s leading business leaders and executives talking about their life, how they got to, where they are, uh, what barriers they had to under, uh, overcome and why they didn’t quit and, and why they are quit list. And it’s, uh, it’s a lesson to us all about having passion and having purpose and pursuing that passion and purpose, regardless of what others say, regardless of the barriers that get in front of you. So please we’re, uh, we’re number one on, on AMA multiple Amazon list. We’re on USA today. List moving up and, um, please get yourself a copy of a sale.

Scott Luton (33:08):

Well, so in addition to Nazis information, cause we want to make it really easy for folks to connect with the voices you’ve heard throughout HDS conversations. So you’ll the links to connect with Nadia will be there, the links to Kevin, and of course quitlines will be there. And Kevin final question for you is, was there a picture of Nadia Delanoy PhD on the front of that quickly?

Kevin L. Jackson (33:28):

You know, we’re going to have to do a reprint

Scott Luton (33:32):

Well seriously though, you know, kidding there, but not at you. I mean the purse of the perseverance and the purpose and the, and the reasoning, the logic behind the reason behind it, why the, why you do it. It really is impressive. I appreciate you sharing that the last hour or so with us. And we’ll have to have you back on and reconnect, keep doing you’re doing wonderful work for so many people, especially for the folks that we care a lot about, which is our fellow veterans. And, um, we look forward to reconnecting with you again really soon.

Kevin L. Jackson (34:02):

Thank you for coming on board. No worries. Thanks.

Scott Luton (34:05):

You bet. All right. We’ve been talking with Nadia Delanoy P H D, and encourage you to connect with her on LinkedIn and learn a lot more about what she is doing. So Kevin man, we should have booked a couple hours here today with Nadia. There’s lots of things that she shared that I would love to dive deeper in, but we’ll have we’ll have her back.

Kevin L. Jackson (34:21):

What was one of your favorite notes? I got notes.

Scott Luton (34:28):

Well, what, so what was one of your favorite, uh, things that she shared here today?

Kevin L. Jackson (34:32):

Number one, I stretch family. I tell you, we all need to have a stretch family around us, and that’s not only when you’re young, as you grow and age, you go through the challenges in your life and how everyone stretch is not only something you accept, but it’s something that you do, you have to stretch to help others. And I really, you know, that’s going down as a, an important note in, in, in my life.

Scott Luton (35:03):

I’m with ya. I’m with Ann, got about my, my proverbial 17 pages of notes, but humanity is beautiful and it is a silver lining and empathy that’s come with it is I hope it’s here to stay. We’re going to need it to tackle a lot more than the current pandemic and, and, you know, driving that change is certainly been the theme of this conversation with two folks that are doing it here in Nadia and Kevin. So big, thanks again to our guests, Nadia Delanoy PhD. And of course my cohost Kevin L. Jackson, be sure to check out, thank you. Yes, you bet. I had a blast as usual Witless the, of persistence and business and laugh. Check that out wherever you get your books from. And Hey, if you’re veterans so much great advice here between what Nadia has shared and really her journey, and of course what Kevin has added, but like you’ve heard do the work believe in yourself, find really good resources, right?

Scott Luton (35:54):

And you can also check out our partners@vetstoindustry.com, which is a nonprofit that’s built to serve you. So be sure that you can check a wide range of resources there. If you’re a veteran and you’ve listened this and you’ve got a voice, a story to tell, reach out, you can find on some social media, you can of course shoot Amanda a note@amandaatsupplychainnow.com. We’d love to chat with you and feature you on a future episode. So on behalf of our entire team here on behalf of Kevin L. Jackson, of course, our guests are our whole program team, Scott Louvin signing off for now. Hope you have a wonderful week wherever you are. Most importantly, do good gift forward. Be the change is needed to be just like Nadia Delanoy PhD. And on that note, we’ll see you next time here.