Is the term supply “chain” holding us back? Find out when you join Scott, Greg, Kevin L. Jackson and special guest Kim Winter of Logistics Executive Group for a Digital Transformers Takeover of The Supply Chain Buzz. Tune in as they discuss talent shortages, why cost is not the ultimate risk, the rise of the digital supply network and more.

Intro/Outro (00:00:03):

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Scott Luton (00:00:30):

Hey, good morning, Scott, Luton and Greg White and Kevin L. Jackson here with you on supply chain now. Welcome to today’s live stream. Kevin, Greg, how we doing?

Kevin L. Jackson (00:00:39):

Yeah, good morning. Good morning. Happy Monday. It’s rainy though. There’s Monday.

Scott Luton (00:00:48):

Is that

Greg White (00:00:56):

Uh, yeah, I I’m doing great. Of course. So lots is

Kevin L. Jackson (00:01:00):

Happening. Well, of course. What can you do down in sunny Hilton? Hey,

Scott Luton (00:01:06):

<laugh> well, he’s doing a lot of, but Kevin, he’s doing a lot of, um, um, calculations and, and logistics research and index

Greg White (00:01:16):

Hilton. Exactly. Index research.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:01:18):

Yeah. Yeah’s, it’s been pretty rare over the past two years that in person part,

Greg White (00:01:23):

I agree

Kevin L. Jackson (00:01:24):

In real life.

Greg White (00:01:24):

That’s why, that’s why we had to come to such a place where we could be in person without being right to give it for the team. Kevin.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:01:35):

I know, I know. I really appreciate that.

Greg White (00:01:38):

Bring,

Kevin L. Jackson (00:01:39):

You know, you were cool in real life before in real life was cool.

Scott Luton (00:01:44):

<laugh> I R L latest latest acronym. I learned that last week that it’s a real thing as we were down in that far with SAP. So IL as you reconnect with folks that you’ve been connecting with digitally, but speaking of digitally, Greg and Kevin, yes. Got it. Today. This is, this is the supply chain buzz, digital transformers takeover, not addition but takeover.

Scott Luton (00:02:08):

So we’re gonna be sharing some of the leading stories developments across global business. We’re gonna be discussing a variety of topics, uh, and joining us momentarily will be Kim winner. One of our faves around here, for sure. So buckle up folks. Get ready. Cause you wanna hear from you too. So we got a lot of folks already chiming in, uh, in the cheap seats. We’re gonna give shoutouts here in just a second, but Hey, we wanna hear from you throughout the session. This should be a great conversation. So Greg and Kevin, I’m gonna dive in. We’ve got three quick announcements. I’m gonna shoot through these pretty quick, cause we’ve got a jam packed episode and then we’ll, we’ll say hello to a few folks. That sound good. Sound

Kevin L. Jackson (00:02:43):

Good. Look at all those people coming in

Scott Luton (00:02:46):

Ready. They’re ready. Spend a tough weekend.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:02:48):

Bring in some more chairs.

Scott Luton (00:02:50):

<laugh> yeah. They’re they all want a buzz. It’s been a tough weekend. Evidently so, um, but first, so Wednesday is a culmination of months and months of hard work for our team and our partners as we, uh, you know, dove into stores from across the globe from a supply chain procurement standpoint. So y’all join us as we reveal all the winners and we hear from, uh, Coupa and we hear from hope for justice on the 18th, starting at 10:00 AM Eastern time sharp. So check out the link, uh, to do just that, uh, in a couple weeks, I guess next week, rather May 24th, we got a great, our next great webinar with our, uh, fine friends at ship Hawk, the 10 comp um, competencies, say that word seven times fast, Greg,

Greg White (00:03:36):

I’m not confident

Scott Luton (00:03:38):

<laugh> of best in class warehouses. Now it’s really important to

Kevin L. Jackson (00:03:42):

Practice guy. I told you

Scott Luton (00:03:44):

<laugh> Kevin. I was a practice

Greg White (00:03:47):

<laugh>

Kevin L. Jackson (00:03:47):

Practice,

Scott Luton (00:03:48):

Man, you know?

Scott Luton (00:03:51):

Yes Averson. Um, but folks for this webinar coming up on May 24th, yeah. We’re gonna hit some of the, um, the common hitters. We’re gonna do that really quick and we’re gonna get to the stuff that really are differentiators. So join us for that May 24th webinar. And finally, uh, we’re very honored to partner with our friends at vector global logistics as we continue, uh, this, uh, powerful and impactful series, leveraging logistics for Ukraine. They’re moving the working sessions to every other week, right? We’re trying to get more action done between the working sessions. The next one is May 24th at 11:00 AM Eastern time. You’ll find the link in the comments we’d love to have y’all join us. Hey, even if you’re not in position to donate. And even if you’re kind of disconnected from what’s going on and at least like boots on the ground there in Europe, come in and, and to, to, to, uh, gather some of that market Intel, you’ll leave much more informed, not only about the situation, but also ways that you can help. So join us on May 24th at 11:00 AM and Greg that’s where I wanna pick it up with you. Uh, and Kevin, you know, purpose is so important here, uh, for our team and, and all of our hosts and, and, um, and you know, global supply chain practitioners and leaders and organizations, we are in a unique position to do so much good for so many different causes. So I wanna get both of y’all to kinda weigh in really quick on that Greg, when it comes to purpose.

Greg White (00:05:14):

Yeah. I mean, uh, uh, you know, we’ve talked a lot about give forward, right? A lot of companies have talked about giving back when they get to it. That’s kind of what it means is once we’ve made our profit, once we’ve, you know, established our other business values, then we come back to kind of come back to, uh, giving and this whole notion of give forward, which is a core principle of what they do at vector. And, and of course of their founder and, and managing director Enrique Alvarez. I, I think that’s an important way to think about it. And to that specific point, Scott, I think people would be amazed at how affordable it is to really make some change in regards to Ukraine, what Enrique and his team have done to get big companies like Hoppo Lloyd to basically do everything, but completely donate containers. They’re basically, uh, allowing you to purchase them for cost to ship the goods. There it’s things like that, right. When, when give forward goes viral is the it’s, that’s really inspirational.

Scott Luton (00:06:16):

Awesome. I completely echo what you just shared, Kevin.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:06:20):

Well, I mean, uh, my last show with, uh, Marcian Viki, I don’t know, maybe we can put it into the link. So if anyone, uh, didn’t catch that, you should really, uh, listen to that because it, it, it changed my, uh, worldview when it, when it comes to refugees, right. You know, whenever you see that word, you know, refugees, you, you know, you’re, you know, people, you know, dragging a, a wagon with everything, they have no clothes, no food, you knows dragging themselves across the border. And then Maron, I mean, yes, that’s happening in Eastern Europe, but there are a lot of people. These people need jobs. I never really thought about jobs for refugees and, and is, is, uh, delivering jobs, helping refugees from Ukraine, uh, in Poland find professional jobs, you know, uh, in supply chain, in technology. And, uh, it’s, uh, it’s really, uh, also a new way of thinking about the gig economy. So, um, I, I, it, it really opened my eyes <laugh>

Scott Luton (00:07:33):

So y’all can check out that episode on digital transformers, which of course is available wherever you get your podcast from. Um, with that said, we got so much, you get into, I wanna show say hello to a few folks. Uh, some of our dear friends from across the globe, Brenda Allen is back with us, of course, with Kenny Bob’s foods. She sent us samples. They’re delicious folks. <laugh> uh, great to have you here with us, Brenda from Tennessee, uh, am, is tuned in via LinkedIn. Hey, let us know where you’re tuned in from, uh, thanks for joining us here today. Um, Ola is tuned in also via LinkedIn, uh, Ryan Roach from beautiful sunny, Iowa,

Greg White (00:08:09):

Sunny Iowa, man. That’s good.

Scott Luton (00:08:11):

Yeah, it is good.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:08:12):

Hey, also, I wanna, uh, go back to that Tennessee, you know, if she she’s, uh, giving things from Tennessee, there’s

Scott Luton (00:08:19):

A, yeah. Brenda Allen.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:08:20):

Uh, yeah, yeah, Brenda, uh, there’s some Jack and Daniels, um, that, uh, it would be really nice if, um, you just sort of send it <laugh> Brenda.

Scott Luton (00:08:32):

Hey, uh, I love that Kevin, and thanks for your generosity for sure. Uh, Brenda’s great. Call out Kevin. I bet.

Greg White (00:08:39):

Um, you know, they make sauces, so they may have something that may or may soon have something that’s got a little infusion. That might be interesting. Yeah, you can.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:08:47):

Can, you can, you can infuse, you

Greg White (00:08:48):

Can put Jack

Kevin L. Jackson (00:08:49):

In anything, anything <laugh>.

Scott Luton (00:08:53):

It’s true. Uh, Catherine, great to see you here today. Uh, from Connecticut, Katherine White house tuned in via LinkedIn from Connecticut. Great to see you. Uh, let’s see here, uh, alpha Mamadou is tuned in via LinkedIn from Ghana. Great to see you here via LinkedIn. Thanks so much for joining us Bonita from the Canadian Rockies keys.

Greg White (00:09:14):

Beautiful. Wherever that is. It’s beautiful. If it’s in Canadian rock

Scott Luton (00:09:19):

And we may have a too production team, it looks like in big, uh, sidebar big. Thanks, Amanda, Catherine and Chantel. If we have any technical issues, just let us know, bring hope. We can get that rectified. Uh, Natalie is tuned in once again from Charlotte. Great to see you, Natalie. Uh, Suleman is tuned in via LinkedIn. Hey, let us know where you’re tuned in from. Uh, Suleman great to have you here today. One of our faves, Josh goody from Seattle is back with us. Josh is always dropping the knowledge here on our lives. He

Greg White (00:09:45):

Didn’t say sunny or rainy this time. He just said, Seattle guess is partly cloudy. Little bit of wind <laugh>

Scott Luton (00:09:53):

I think you nailed it, Greg. Uh, Dr. Ron is back with us. Happy Monday, all getting my run in this morning. She says, oh, hi. While, while learning what’s up in this Apache, now world bring the positive energy. One love that. Uh, Peter Bole all night and all day, good morning, everybody he’s setting up his 10 by 12 foot steel gazebo on Saturday and 90 plus degree weather took him six hours for a team of three to complete what a job, but all set for summer. Now, Peter says

Greg White (00:10:21):

That now, now he’s ready to enjoy some cold beverages under that thing,

Scott Luton (00:10:27):

Right? Ammi is tuned in from Toronto, the beautiful city of Toronto. So I love Toronto. That is wonderful. Hey, T squared, we do owe him. So T squared holds down to for force on YouTube. We’ve gotta get your email so we can send you your tri prize that you won when Stephanie Stuckey with it was with us last time. So if you could Ts square shoot a note to, or, or I’ll tell you what, reach out to Amanda or I on LinkedIn and we’ll get connected if we aren’t and then shoot us your, um, your email. Okay. Via LinkedIn message. We gotta make sure we get that to you. Uh, verti uh, tuned in via YouTube. Let us know where you’re you’re tuned in from somebody <laugh>. Somebody let’s know

Greg White (00:11:10):

How tall you’re

Kevin L. Jackson (00:11:10):

Awesome. Look up, look up. <laugh>

Scott Luton (00:11:14):

Hey, Hey, Kelly, Barner to want it only.

Greg White (00:11:18):

Kevin

Scott Luton (00:11:20):

Who leads DPI for procurement and buyer’s meeting point does good work at art procurement. Of course, the awards, our partners there. So great to see Kelly and finally, and folks keep it coming. We’re gonna try to reference these throughout the show today. Michael is tuned in from sunny, but also rainy winter Springs, Florida. Michael, thanks for joining us here today.

Greg White (00:11:41):

Let’s see you this time of year in winter Springs, Florida, it’s gonna be rainy at 2:00 PM and 4:00 PM. Probably <laugh>

Kevin L. Jackson (00:11:48):

<laugh>

Scott Luton (00:11:49):

Predictive analytics

Greg White (00:11:50):

Money in between.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:11:52):

That’s how it goes. <laugh> on the golf ball. That is <laugh>.

Scott Luton (00:11:56):

Um, well, so as excited as I am for the three of us to catch up and knock out, uh, and again, it’s the third Monday of each month. It’s our digital transformers takeover with one only Kevin L. Jackson, as excited as I am to navigate through our conversation with both of you, we’ve gotta bring in one of our favorite guests. Yes. Uh, I wanna welcome in Kim winter group, managing director with logistics executive group.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:12:21):

Yes,

Scott Luton (00:12:24):

Kim

Kevin L. Jackson (00:12:26):

Always.

Scott Luton (00:12:30):

Good afternoon. Good evening. How you doing Kim?

Kim Winter (00:12:33):

So gentlemen, uh, always my great honor to be in the presence of the three, Just and AAL, just ticking under a hundred degrees in your temperature. Oh, cool. Uh, with manic Shamal coming through here as

Scott Luton (00:12:56):

Well. Uh, thank you, Kim, for talking our language and, and we always try to do the reverse, uh, but on a more serious note, uh, on behalf of the whole supply chain now team, um, here we wanna wish, uh, condolences and, and best wishes and prayers to, uh, the family of, of, uh, the past present, uh, Sheik Khalifa and his whole family and all of you, uh, citizens of, uh, the UAE. So, um, heart to, with you.

Kim Winter (00:13:20):

Thanks so much. And, uh, yeah, we’re Chiron Chiron, uh, and, uh, you, we have, uh, a time of great sadness here. We’ve had a time great celebration with E the passing of Ramadan and this week, uh, this is a, a traditional holiday. Now this is a, uh, a farewell holiday to, to the she Khalifa and coming in, we have his Highness shake, Muhammad bin Z is the new president and your vice president and Mr. Blink, and most of the leaders of the world have been flying in here over the last 48 hours to pay, pay respect to new president of the UAE.

Scott Luton (00:13:58):

Well, I appreciate that. We look forward to learning a lot more about, uh, I think he goes by the acronym NBC, if I think I forgot that got

Kim Winter (00:14:05):

That right. He does indeed. And I, and I loved leader of, uh, of the country of seven eras here.

Scott Luton (00:14:12):

Well, great to have you here. Uh, Kim, uh, and by the way, I’ve gotta go back to these comments that we’re referencing before you joined us Kim on a much lighter note. First off, Michael is just confirming Greg’s, uh, weather prediction patterns <laugh> and really

Kevin L. Jackson (00:14:26):

Florida.

Scott Luton (00:14:28):

Um, Jenny fr our best friend from South Africa, uh, Johannesburg is with us here today saying hello to, to Kim. We’re all big fans of Jenny fr and Femi. Great to have you here once again, uh, via LinkedIn, thanks for joining us. Uh, Jerry Stevens also from the great city of Cincinnati. Great to see us, Jerry. Okay, so Kevin, yes. Uh, one of the things Kim mentioned was some of the celebrations, uh, earlier, um, earlier in may and, and, uh, uh, late April, but you’ve got you’ve, you’ve got a, um, plenty of reason all of us do to celebrate because digital transformers, Kim and Greg and the rest of the world has, has become officially certified a top 100 podcast in terms of consumption and downloads all that good stuff. Our friends at charitable Kevin, how about that?

Kevin L. Jackson (00:15:16):

<laugh> wow. You know, thanks Scott. Thank you very much. But you know, when, when you and I discussed the, the idea of, of me ho hosting a podcast, I was really, really skeptical about fitting into a supply chain world. I told you I don’t do supply chain, right? <laugh> but little but little, little did I know then that a global pandemic was about to change the world and supply chain soon would be on everybody’s lips, right? Where’s my toilet paper, but, but today, right, the importance of technology and digital transformation to every business is reflected by how both are being applied to the global supply chain. And the shows top 100 technology podcast listing is a Testament to your foresight, Scott, and your willingness to build a very broad supply chain tent. So thank you. Thank you very much for letting me in the, in the 10.

Scott Luton (00:16:26):

Well, I, I appreciate your F your kind of words, what we’ve, but honestly, well, I think we, I think Greg and the whole team here, we’ve all learned from so much that you brought to the table, you yeah. Your expertise, your guests, just like, uh, uh, as Kim has appeared and, and we’ve done shows together. We’ve learned so much, uh, from, um, on a variety of levels, um, of what Kim, uh, all of our guests and our host, um, what they bring to the table. So thank y’all congrats, Kevin, thank you. Uh, that is quite an achievement. And Greg, I’m gonna give you the final word on, as we celebrate our top 100 podcast with digital transformers.

Greg White (00:16:59):

I, I mean, I think it, it really goes to, to the, the interesting confluence of the recognition of digital transformation as necessary and impactful to the world and supply chain and almost the same time, really. And at the same time that I think those of us who’ve been in supply chain for a long time have recognized we’re all part of supply chain, whether we know it or not. Right. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and likewise, we’re all part of digital transformation, and it is both are happening. Both are expanding and both are improving whether we see it or not. So finally, we’re just seeing it. And I think that’s really affirming. It’s gotta be affirming for you, Kevin, because I know you’ve been talking about digital transformation and probably felt like you were shouting into the wilderness for some years, but now some echo, there are people listening, right?

Kevin L. Jackson (00:17:49):

Yeah. Modern echoes. That’s great.

Scott Luton (00:17:52):

<laugh>, that’s, that’s awesome. And well said, Greg well said, uh, Kim, I’ll give you the final word here. Cause you know, we’re talking about kind of, you know, beyond the content and the awesome podcast and work that Kevin’s doing and our production team doing, by the way, big shout out there, you know, uh, digital twins, digital transformation, you know, uh, worlds are coming together and align and, and are allowing us to serve the consumers much, much more effectively amongst other things, Kim, your quick comment there.

Kim Winter (00:18:19):

Yeah. I, I guess where I always like to come from is, is my position of strength about understanding the world and, and where human resources and the workforce plays into the digital world. And there’s all this talk about AI and digital are gonna take over from, uh, the workforce from the humans. But, uh, clearly that’s not true. And I, and I gotta put a call out right now to the guys from Accenture, as you know, uh, Scott, I MCing the global, the, uh, Gulf petrochemical association three day conference tomorrow. And I happen to have some data and some research from Francesco, from Accenture here, which gives me some great data. So just quickly, if you’re talking about the impact and what’s gonna happen with digital and how it’s being, uh, undermined by the of workforce and labor in that whole space, there’s some research here we’ll talk a about later on, but that percent of, uh, companies won’t objectives, unless they digital scale digital, One piece of data, other, another piece of data is C levels say they don’t set scale. If they don’t scale digital in the next five years, they think they’ll be outta business.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:19:33):

<laugh>

Scott Luton (00:19:36):

That’s, That’s,

Kim Winter (00:19:40):

There’s no

Scott Luton (00:19:41):

Option. That’s a bold, but safe bet, Kim. And, and as sorry, I didn’t mean to cut, cut you off there, but, um, there is no option. We got, we have to lean in and embrace it. So excellent. Uh, there, Kim, we look forward to some of the, to get getting some of your research data points from the upcoming event. Um, okay. And then, and officially welcome Kim. Great to have you here today. All right. So Kevin, let’s see, where are we starting as we dive into the heavy lifting and folks again, we wanna hear from you all throughout the conversation here today, uh, we are starting with our first story where tool tools group who’s been with us earlier. Greg tools group has conducted a study in conjunction with CS CMP and the data shows Kim alluded to it. Uh, da the data shows we’ve got a couple of major hindrances to digitally transforming global supply chains. So Kevin, tell us more about this here, huh?

Kevin L. Jackson (00:20:31):

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So this was, this was the third annual study by tool groups and, and, and they really are a leader in developing planning software. Um, and this, this research was done with the council of supply chain management professionals and they found that, uh, although more companies than ever about 93% are actively engaged in digital transformation. It’s what that Kim said, people skills and the deficit of those people’s skills is the number one obstacle to digital transformation, right? And it it’s really standing in the way of their efforts. The survey involved more than 300 supply chain professionals around the world. They, um, they were very concerned about supply chain delays about 25% surging inflation, which is now starting to affect the pocketbook and escalating fulfillment costs, right? So they’re, they’re, they’re linked and other issues like, uh, shorter product life cycles and, and risks of obsolescence or, you know, additional production options, which were, uh, more, um, higher on the list were, uh, all significantly less important. So the top objectives for 2022 is developing better and faster reactions to unplanned disruptions while increasing supply chain resilience. Once again, this is what humans are skilled at doing last year’s top objective of keeping up with evolving customer behaviors and expectations has really plummeted in this year’s survey. This shows just how profoundly external factors are disrupting all supply chain activities.

Scott Luton (00:22:42):

Excellent said, I’m gonna come, come to you next, Greg here, but really quick, Jerry Levy, our friend from Cincinnati says what’s driving this digital transformation is how interdependent all departments and manufacturers and retailers are with their supply chain. Josh likes that point and Bonita also says we’re all interconnected, whether we know it or not an event on the other side of the world is gonna impact us eventually, if not immediately. Excellent point there. Bonita. Okay. Greg, getting back to this study, uh, from our friends at tools group and CS CMP, uh, what else stands out to you or what’s your take here?

Greg White (00:23:14):

Yeah, well, I think, um, not just this top issue right. Of people slash skills deficits. Um, a lot of that goes to the fact that people have been leaving the supply chain industry and drove baby boomers, right? As we’ve talked about many times before they left the workforce at a rate, much higher than even was expected. And that was already at 10,000 a day. Um, and they, and they took those skills with them. If you think about it. And I, I read an article this morning, and if you think about it, that was the last fully physical generation of workers, right? They did their jobs with their hands to start, at least, even though many of them evolved into the computer age and that sort of thing, every generation, um, since that, including our generation generation X, which is very often not included and overlooked <laugh>, um, gen, uh, millennials and gen Z have all been technology first, uh, or at least very prominent a as, as part of their work or as the predominance of their work.

Greg White (00:24:21):

So, uh, there was a lot of lack of documentation, a lot of physicality to the work and, and the new generations, including ours, don’t really want to take on that physical work. That’s why I think there is room for digital transformation, including robotics. And as I’ve said before, we need not apologize for automation, autonomous robotics, taking the jobs of human beings, because it’s simply not going to happen. People don’t want those jobs that are mundane, that are dangerous, that are repetitive, et cetera, etcetera. And instead they want to use their technical skills to do their job, or even if they are using physical skills, we can greatly increase their productivity by having robots, autonomous and, and automation do those things that are less safe, again, less, less satisfying for human beings. And as Kevin just said, less fit to where human beings really accelerate, which is making rapid game changing decisions in short order with insufficient or incorrect data. That’s what humans do that technology cannot.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:25:25):

Yeah. Those robots don’t have that those seven pounds of gray matter. So they

Greg White (00:25:31):

<laugh>,

Scott Luton (00:25:32):

I’m not sure I got, I’m not sure if, uh, I got my full seven pounds, Kevin <laugh>, I’ll go back and conducted inventory of that. But Hey, Kim, uh, Kevin and Greg sharing some, really some golden nuggets here, and we’re gonna get back to the comments in a minute, but what’s your take here, Kim?

Kim Winter (00:25:49):

Well, I just wanna come back to that point. Uh, both of Kevin and, and Greg about, uh, about the, the replacement issue, uh, AI and robots in particular, did you see the, uh, story LinkedIn? I think it was with Elon Musk saying that robots are gonna be bigger than cars. Did you see that?

Scott Luton (00:26:10):

No, I did not.

Greg White (00:26:11):

Physically bigger, more prominent.

Kim Winter (00:26:15):

Gonna be a bigger

Greg White (00:26:16):

Industry. Oh, unquestion.

Scott Luton (00:26:18):

Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah.

Greg White (00:26:18):

Unquestionably.

Kim Winter (00:26:20):

Yeah. So I mean she, and you talking about it really affordable and we’ll just be, be moving, but he also said it’s not gonna hit the labor shortage of the workforce because there’s still this incredible demand. We also had discussion about the cost of everything coming down to the robot different day subject, perhaps. But let me throw a little bit back to you, Scott, uh, throw some cream on the cake that’s being talked about here a little bit more research at 73% of supply chain leaders agree that their function doesn’t have all the talent needed to meet the current supply chain performance requirements. We’re talking about digitization automation, new skills that will be needed. And on top of that, 70% of the companies surveyed the leading companies are building a talent, all of AI and machine learning skills to enable real time monitoring manufacturing operations. So three, five years ago was, you know, this digitization thing, everybody get better get on board. And I know Greg you’ve, you’ve talked a lot about this in the last 12 months, so its just ubiquitous existential.

Scott Luton (00:27:31):

<laugh> that’s a big word. I need go back to look up. What, what you’re talking.

Kim Winter (00:27:38):

You

Scott Luton (00:27:38):

Do really quick that

Kevin L. Jackson (00:27:39):

Scott. Yeah, yeah. Before, before you go, Scott, I wanna apologize to you. Uh, you said you were a little lacking on the, the, you know, the work in the brain seven pounds. Yeah. Seven pounds. The average, the average person is, is three pound brain. I’m sorry. You’re probably okay. I’m just thinking about my own heavy head. So <laugh>

Scott Luton (00:28:00):

Oh gosh. Well Hey, well he

Greg White (00:28:02):

Is a rock scientist. <laugh>

Scott Luton (00:28:04):

He’s a rock scientist. Well kidding aside though. Kidding aside, you know, uh, more talent gotta compete for talent. You gotta compete for top talent. You know, there’s a lot of lip service than that. Not here in our panel, but out in industry. And I think one key lesson to be learned here. If you’re as you’re leading organizations, are you really a top talent magnet? You’re really conducting that internal audit ex um, interviewing the folks that have been recently onboarding or have departed organization and find where your gaps are. It’s so important to become a talent, um, true talent, super competitor. I gotta share a couple comments here from the audience. Uh, so I got my Jerry’s mixed up. My apologies Jerry Stevens is in, in Cincinnati. Jerry loves, uh, what Greg said about human guided AI as being the current pathway, Jerry Levy, which I’m not sure Jerry let us know where you’re tuned in from. He says, amen, Greg, it’s true that the, uh, baby boomer, baby boomer generation started doing everything manually, but have been intimate with the automation process in all areas of the supply chain, making them the experts in the process that’s lacking in younger generations. And as our panel knows, uh, organizations trying to document that turbo knowledge before, right? The continued resignation, right Greg.

Greg White (00:29:18):

Yeah. That is the biggest gap is so much of what they’ve done. How many times have you worked with a company? And someone said, I just know, you know, how do you know how to do that? I just know how do you know that’s right. I just know. And the truth is that’s very often the case because it’s experiential learning that has taught them that. And the capture of the process of utilizing that experience to, to create, to create the outcomes has not been documented. So right.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:29:48):

You can’t rid baby boomers yet. Right?

Greg White (00:29:53):

That’s Kevin.

Scott Luton (00:29:58):

So, and need it really documented too. So that, that transfer, uh, can take place very effectively. Uh, Ava tuned in from North Carolina, a buyer, uh, out in the market. Great to see Ava, let’s see here.

Greg White (00:30:11):

1. Is that Panama city beach? No, not in North Carolina. Where would

Scott Luton (00:30:14):

That be? I’m not sure. So Ava.

Greg White (00:30:16):

Yeah. Let’s know what that

Scott Luton (00:30:17):

Company is. PCB. Uh, Bonita is worried as well about, you know, I was worried about my, my seven pounds Bonita. We can do an, uh, an audit later <laugh> and Natalie says Great point. Even in the customer experience space, we’re talking about not virtual assistance versus human assistance

Greg White (00:30:35):

All the time. I mean, you can almost, you can almost tell when it’s sometimes you really can tell when it’s a bot. Yeah.

Scott Luton (00:30:42):

Oh yeah. Yes. Um, Sarah says hello from South Carolina collaboration, initiatives, initiatives encourages early human adoption of digitalization strategies. Uh, excellent point there. Sarah mm-hmm <affirmative> and we were just down, uh, Greg still is still there, but I was just down in Charleston, Hilton head, uh, over the weekend. Um, a lot of other comments we can’t get to right quick. Uh, so y’all but y’all keep ’em coming. Hey, Mohe is tuned in from, uh, from Kansas, uh, but resilient. Yes, resilient and over Kansas. I love that Moheb and our hearts and prayers are certainly, uh, with you. Okay. So, uh, on a much lighter note, really quick, Kevin, before we hit your second news article, Greg, we gotta give a shout out to our friends at Alfreds in Hilton head island. We had the best dinner down there Saturday night. So if you’re looking for really good food, Greg, where do they go in Hilton head.

Greg White (00:31:39):

Yeah. Yeah. Who would think that you would go one to an island and two to South Carolina to get some of the best German food now Sylvia, Judy May. Wow. She might have an opinion here. Um, and we would welcome her to give us a review, come down and give us a review, but Alfred’s is German and continental food, outstanding Heath and Linda, the owners there do a great job, great hosts as well as great, uh, service and food providers.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:32:04):

You know that there may be a trend there, you know, the best Italian food I have ever had was on an island and that island was S Lanka. It was gone <laugh>

Scott Luton (00:32:18):

It was let’s make a trip. Uh, the four of us let’s let’s make a trip. <laugh> um, alright, really quick here. Closing, uh, my housekeeping list here, Jerry is from Atlanta fellow ATL, uh, right here. Ava is, is Halifax, North Carolina, where they make cable sensors and crystal and T squared says, you call it right on gen X being overlooked after the boomers folks are running straight to the

Kevin L. Jackson (00:32:43):

Millennials. <laugh>

Greg White (00:32:45):

Well, T squared, as I said, when some, some writer, uh, for CNN, CNN, N I think said now from boomers running the country, it will be millennials. And gen Z I said is if it’s millennials and gen Z, the next president will live at home with their parents.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:33:03):

<laugh> homework. Yeah. Working from home. Yeah.

Greg White (00:33:06):

Mom,

Kevin L. Jackson (00:33:07):

<laugh> in the basement and mom’s basement. Yeah.

Scott Luton (00:33:13):

We used to have a lot of fun around podcasters. Uh, Greg, we used to say, we, we, we, yes, we have a podcast. No, we don’t live in the basement and

Greg White (00:33:21):

We don’t do it from our mother’s basement. That’s

Scott Luton (00:33:23):

Right. All right. Um, so let’s move right along. There’s so much you get into here today and y’all keep the comments coming. But up next, Kevin, uh, from our friends at Deloitte, we’re talking about the business case for digital supply networks. Yeah. So Kevin, tell us more.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:33:39):

So, um, this article talked specifically about digital supply networks in life sciences, how, how that can help optimize operations and inventories to free up capital and, and research and development investment. So life science, digital supply networks also help improve customer satisfaction fulfilled, or regulators request and speed up innovation. So the audience, or maybe you may be asking what is a digital supply network? Well, well, these things, these digital supply networks establish a digital thread through the physical and digital channels. They connect information, goods and services in powerful ways by capturing signals and data from the physical world to create a digital record. So these digital supply networks are applicable in any business. They can address the challenges with optimizing the management of inventories reliability and the visibility of products that are moving across your supply chain or your operational web that can help with your efficiencies and product yields. So if you are a manager, how could a focus on your digital supply network help your business?

Scott Luton (00:35:18):

Mm, Greg,

Greg White (00:35:21):

Well, I think the key word here is network look, uh, I mean, we have just finally, and I wouldn’t even say it’s settled. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, we’ve just finally switched from calling it logistics to transportation, to whatever, to supply chain. And now I believe nearly everyone considers themselves part of the, of the supply chain though. Manufacturers often choose to stand alone and consider manufacturing somehow outside the supply chain. Um, and often logistics providers as well. We’re getting there though, but the truth is maybe we ought skip over this whole notion of chain and go to network as Kevin and I have talked about it. Yeah. At, um, panel sessions before, or even I’ve talked to some companies who consider it a mesh, more like an organic kind of network, like, um, I think it was Bonita who said what, you know, the butterfly effect, what happens where Kim is affects us, where we are and vice versa. Um, but I think if we think about it from an organic standpoint, roots and wind and water and trees and all of that, I mean, there are various types of connections. The, the thing that is really changing here is this recognition that there is an interconnectivity and interdependence, um, as, as someone said earlier and that we need to nurture and expand on that to not just thrive, but really to survive in terms of supply chain, everything is so interconnected. We have to acknowledge and embrace that.

Scott Luton (00:36:52):

All right. So Kim, I’m coming to you next, but really quick as Greg was sharing that I don’t know about. I don’t know why, but the analogy that came to my mind is, uh, you know, I don’t know about y’all, but when I eat, I’ve gotta have the peas over here. I’ve gotta have the corn over here. I’ve gotta have, everything’s gotta be separate

Greg White (00:37:08):

The food doesn’t touch. Huh?

Kevin L. Jackson (00:37:10):

A there’s a word for that starts when a and ends with a,

Scott Luton (00:37:17):

But what Greg is describing is that that is not modern day global supply chain. It’s all connected. Like my uncle Richard, he liked everything touch and everything, right. With a piece of cornbread. Uh, and that’s really as what, uh, Greg is alluding to that’s that’s reality that well that’s reality, or maybe better yet the opportunity for leadership teams that get it and act on it. So, Kim, uh, your thoughts.

Kim Winter (00:37:42):

So look not withstanding that these two make my head, make my head. Also the fact that I’m

Kim Winter (00:38:05):

Up is the fact that you’ll remember a couple of months ago, we were talking about supply chain webs as in spider webs. That’s right. And you know, you write Greg on the butterfly, but let’s get to the spider, right. Because really it is ubiquitous. It is, it is the data is everywhere. And without being the expert here, I simply will say this. Now one of our clients who has a lot of boats name sure remain unnamed, uh, of the last 6,000 people have employed in the last 12 months. I think it’s four and a half or more thousand of those people have been in the digital realm in the, in the supply chain space and digital AI e-com. So, I mean, you know, this, this is all over us, it’s a tsunami.

Scott Luton (00:38:51):

It is. And you’re referring.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:38:52):

I like, like the idea of a, of a, a spider and a spider web cause that the spider is sitting in and it’s, it’s, it’s listening for signals from the web around them, you know? Right. And as soon they get that signal, they know where to go eat. Right. <laugh> so, um, maybe, maybe that’s, A’s a better way than a, a network that, that web is a good analogy.

Scott Luton (00:39:16):

Agreed. And you know, Kim, you’re referencing our chat with, uh, Mark Holmes with InterSystems. Who’s doing some really cool work. He’s brilliant supply chain fabric, supply chain web. And by the way, quick shout out to mark and his team, cuz they helped us, helped support our, one of our nonprofit partners, vets to industry.org. So big shout out to mark and the team. Okay. Uh, really quick, a couple comments, all three of y’all are genius. Uh, I love your take here and your humorous takes, you know, I gotta keep it light so folks can embrace it. Um, uh, let’s see, Natalie said it had a great point and we’re talking about the transfer of tribal knowledge. As soon as we write it down, it changes.

Greg White (00:39:55):

<laugh> so true. We’re gonna see that. And we’re actually gonna see some new terminology from one of the other articles that we’re gonna discuss today. Right? I’ve been in this industry a long time, never seen a couple of these acronyms that we’re about to see

Kevin L. Jackson (00:40:09):

<laugh>

Scott Luton (00:40:09):

And Katherine says primal knowledge, not tribal primal. I love that. Love it. Uh, let’s see here. Um, T square says the skills gap is the overarching issue in this. The Rudy George relationship needs to be further embraced, uh, Jose Montoya, uh, checking in from Southern California. I think Jose and his team are, are growing and exploding over there. Jose hope. This finds you well

Kevin L. Jackson (00:40:39):

Reading layers probably still in Southern California. So it’s still foggy there, right? <laugh>

Scott Luton (00:40:46):

I think

Greg White (00:40:46):

So. Yeah. The big month is June in San Diego. You’re dead. You’re dead on. Oh right. You were stationed out there. Of course. Right. The weather, the, the weather forecast in San Diego is all the same. We have a until noon and then it,

Scott Luton (00:41:02):

Well, um, so much to tackle. So little time, uh, Kevin, Greg and Kim, I wanna move on to our last article that, um, Greg was referencing earlier and we’re talking about from our friends via the manufacturer. More and more virtual tools are being leveraged for supply chain management. Now, um, you know, we always see the same graphic when virtual tours come. <laugh>, you know, we always see that same graphic, but more and more, it’s becoming a reality. So tell us more Kevin.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:41:36):

So, um, supply chains are, you know, it’s not a secret supply chains are scrambling around the world and that they’re trying to figure out the quote, new normal as organizations need to consider using cloud based virtual tools to keep everything running smoothly and to keep the visibility across the supply chain. So virtual twin, yes. Kim virtual twins. You can’t be I’m I’m sorry. You can’t, uh, be a Virgin anymore. Virtual twin tools can provide a single source of truths and help with advanced decision making across the product build process. This helps manage risk because manufacturers need to be able to avoid those catastrophes and, and help lower cost and to move fast. When they see that new opportunity, uh, to do this, they really need to have insights from valuable data sources. Those signals like, like the spider, right, to help inform these decisions. It sounds a lot like that digital supply network or the digital supply web doesn’t it.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:42:50):

So these tools should include sales and operations planning, which allows the manufacturers full visibility into factors that affect marketing, finance, and operations in order to bridge the gap between sales and operations. Secondly, it needs to really allow for the integration, uh, with the adjacent business processes, things like accurate production planning with the ability to manage obstacles, to profitability like high inventory levels or, or poor delivery performance. And, and finally these tools need to support accurate logistics and workforce planning. This helps increases operational efficiency and improve the resource utilization in order to reduce cost. This also ensures productivity and employee satisfaction can remain high.

Scott Luton (00:44:00):

Um, alright, so there’s a lot to unpack here really quick though. And Greg, I’m coming to you next, when I see this, uh, and these tools, these virtual tools do y’all remember the 1994 movie disclosure with Demi Moore and Donald SU and Michael Douglas. And there was a portion there where they go back into the hotel and they’re moving files on this virtual reality. I mean, it’s finally becoming a reality, I think, based on what Kevin is sharing. So Greg, what say you here?

Greg White (00:44:31):

So I read through this entire article and I was fascinated by both the recognition of need to use cloud native technology, a recognition that retail and distribution supply chain had about a decade ago. Um, and also some of the terms that they used, one, uh, part while that I’ll quote is, uh, to managing, uh, manufacturer’s execution schedule to ensure that the plan is optimal at all times. And that service levels are met at minimum costs that constant use of that term cost. Um, it displays an old fashioned way of, of running supply chains. It is there supply chain. I will always argue. There is only one job deliver, deliver to eliminate as much risk as possible. So it should say service levels, meaning how well you serve your customer, you know, um, on time and full let’s, just call it. And I mean real on time and in full not however you manipulate it to make your KPIs look better. <laugh> um, Minimum cost, not at minimum cost minimum risk. We must consider cost only one of the significant risks that we have in supply chain, not the driving risk, because we have managed supply chains to minimize cost for too long. And it created fragility in other parts of our network, our mesh, our web, whatever we wanna call it. And we can’t have that weakness in our web or else the spider can’t get to the fly to get dinner. So we have to <laugh>

Greg White (00:46:05):

To make sure that we take a, a more modern perspective. So this is a very, uh, this is someone or a group of authors with a still very old fashioned perspective on the supply chain, but still trying to reach into the future with things like, um, with things like digital twins, which are a very, uh, accurate and cost effective and risk reducing way of changing manufacturing or distribution techniques or whatever. So you don’t have to build a secondary factory in real life. I R L thank you for that guys, you build it in. And in some cases you build it in the metaverse, right. You build it in a virtual environment, and then you test those fragility and resiliencies and, and transitions and, and physical and digital strengths and weaknesses of your supply chain before you actually employ it in the physical world.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:47:00):

Yeah. Remember that zero cost means a zero capability <laugh> so, so it’s not necessarily the, you know, reducing cost is not all always good, you know,

Scott Luton (00:47:16):

Get what you pay for is what you’re saying. You said a very high pollutant version of that, uh, Kevin, but you boil it down. You get what you pay for Kim, uh, your take on all these virtual tour tools and where we’re headed

Kim Winter (00:47:31):

Suffice to say, I feel discombobulated by the, uh, S of digital process over here, uh, that notwithstanding I’m just gonna throw a bit more cream on the digital cake. I’m not engineering this, but, uh, I just happen to have access again, the folks at Accenture, please forgive me if it isn’t supposed to be released until tomorrow, but 76% back to your point, Greg, 70% at 76% of sea level on the survey that they’ve done, uh, are gonna struggle to scale digital across their business at all 76%, just really struggling to scale 8% of all of the proof of concepts don’t get to the next stage, arguably, because they’re not able to translate it. This is where the people come in. Tim did say eight of 10,

Scott Luton (00:48:28):

Eight

Kim Winter (00:48:28):

Of 10, eight of 10, wow. Eight of 10 of all digital proof of concepts. Don’t progress to the next stage. Wow. And given, given that you are one of the gurus globally of advising companies of how to go digital and, and Kevin yourself in this, in this bucket, uh, you know, that’s a big number of opportunity for consulting firms isn’t Yeah. Is, is that 50% of all supply chain expect executives expect to have a new technology leadership role reporting directly to the chief of supply chain in their business by 2025?

Scott Luton (00:49:17):

Yeah. Wow.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:49:18):

Well, you know, one, your reasons why 80% of these digital transformation issues fail, cause they keep trying to use the same metrics that depend upon the previous manual processes and they refuse, they refuse that, uh, redesign those previous manual processes to take advantage of things like cloud native.

Scott Luton (00:49:44):

Yeah. Well, you know, I think it’s important to be, uh, to note here that as challenging as digital transformation is clearly by all these numbers, just traditional change is, is tough. Supply chain dials reporting that’s right on, um, Johnson, Johnson, snack foods, which holds the IC brand amongst others, their E R P implementation is cost them 20 million, uh, in, in, in, uh, in real costs based on, you know, what, what I would argue is, is a much more traditional, um, uh, change versus although there’s a, there’s an element of digital transformation there. So change folks, Eureka moment is tough. Imagine that, um, right. Let’s let’s do this. So Jerry right.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:50:27):

Power now changes hard,

Scott Luton (00:50:28):

Right? <laugh> yeah. Changes hard. It’s uh, so forward looking right. But Hey, Jerry Levy, Jerry, I want to, uh, suggest you connect with our panel here, but, but certainly Kim, particularly Kim’s got offices around the world. Uh, Jerry’s asking about where to look for talent and supply chain digitization when supply chain digitization talent is not available. So connect with Kim on that. I’m sure he’s got thoughts and we’re coming down the loop here. I love that Kevin too. I think. Yeah. Yeah. I’m, sorry’s,

Kevin L. Jackson (00:51:00):

There’s a book that can help

Scott Luton (00:51:03):

To click to transform Amazon best.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:51:06):

<laugh>

Scott Luton (00:51:07):

Check that out. Everything he touches turns the gold. I, I need to shake your hand more often. Kevin Clay, great point is we’re going back talking about webs and, and networks and fabrics fungi. I think I said that right. Is another naturally occurring communicative network to reference excellent point clay. Um, okay. So, and, uh, Josh goody, let’s see here, Josh says the true cost is gonna be measured by the loss of production or the loss of return customers by not delivering, which is something that Greg was, was harping on earlier. Josh also reminded us that Michael Cton was the author of disclosure, which was turned into that 1994 movie. I’ve forgotten that. Um, okay. So, um, what I wanna do is Kim, you’ve already mentioned this upcoming event that you’ve got, which I think kicks off tomorrow. Uh, let’s just remind folks where to get more information there. G P CA supply chain.com. Of course you can also connect with Kim and follow Kim for more information, your final thought about this, uh, great event that kicks off this week.

Kim Winter (00:52:13):

Uh, yeah. Well, the Gulf petrochemical association event is, uh, is a mainline end here. It’ll probably have, uh, four or 500, uh, regional players there. It’s an exhibition as well, a, uh, MC there in 2019 fantastic event. A lot of innovation, digital is gonna be big, uh, new forms of transport, new forms of communication. It’s, it’s really important and also, uh, a big move into divers diversification and sustainability in this part of the world as the all runs out. Mm

Scott Luton (00:52:47):

Well, we look forward to getting some of your key takeaways from this event. Yeah. Uh, we’d encourage folks to check that out. I appreciate the work that you do. Uh, Mohe says actually digital twins do exist all across the supply chain, not just properly network together, it will be connected soon enough until then we’re all having to enjoy job security <laugh> and supply chain now not supply chain, future talk show <laugh>.

Scott Luton (00:53:10):

Um, I want to, um, really, so we’re gonna make sure folks know how to connect with, with all of y’all. Uh, and, and Kim, you would, uh, I’m sure. Add to your answer, connect with you on LinkedIn, uh, right. Easy to do. You’re always a lot of great content out there. Um, Jose asks a great question and this deserves a six hour conversation probably, but as we ask, uh, Kevin, uh, as we ask, how can folks connect with you, if you, any initial thoughts other than get the click, the transform book <laugh>, uh, which would help I’m sure. Accelerate it, any initial thoughts and how can folks connect with you?

Kevin L. Jackson (00:53:51):

So my, uh, initial thought, when anybody asks me is to you, you have to be willing to learn. You have to willing, be willing to accept change, and you can’t be afraid of failure. You have to accept failure as a part of change. That’s where you learn, you learn more from failing than you do from succeeding. And if you want more words like that, just follow me on Twitter at Kevin underscore Jackson, uh, or on LinkedIn, either on, on my personal, uh, page Kevin Jackson or on digital transformers with Kevin L. Jackson and finally supply chain now.com/digital transformers. So I’m everywhere

Greg White (00:54:36):

He is everywhere.

Scott Luton (00:54:39):

I tell you between Kevin and Kim, uh, uh, Kim was sharing, uh, his travel schedule and the pre-show. Oh, wow. And man, Kim, you’re not gonna be sleeping in the same bed for sounds like weeks on end. So, but safe travel. I

Kim Winter (00:54:51):

Will come to you wherever you’re will be there.

Scott Luton (00:54:56):

It’s true. It is very true.

Greg White (00:54:58):

Can I just real quick, Kim, I’m curious because one of the questions is, are the right people out there. And since what you guys do at logistics, executive group is place people or, you know, work with companies that are looking to fill those kind of roles. What are you seeing in the marketplace?

Kim Winter (00:55:16):

Yeah. Uh, well, good point, Greg, look, you know, the narrative is, there’s a war for talent and there’s not enough people. The reality is what we are seeing. And Kevin will be more particularly aware of this is we seeing this massive transformation, not only in the digital world, but obviously the talent, uh, regimes are following that. So you are getting a lot of crossover. You are getting a huge amount of reskilling. Uh, you know, one of the big issues that come outta the research recently in Australia was this massive talent shortage in Australia is actually bring people over 60 back into the workforce, uh, support women to be able to, you know, have somebody to look after the kids while like back in the workforce, there’s enough people around, but as humans and as employers, we’re not being in governments, we’re not being smart enough to bring the talent that’s around and skill it properly to bring it back in, to deal with the whole new regime of like

Scott Luton (00:56:09):

That.

Greg White (00:56:09):

Right. That’s a great insight.

Kevin L. Jackson (00:56:10):

There’s so many transferable skills that people don’t recognize. I really hate the idea of, um, uh, cubby holding people into specific expertise slots. Right. Right. Well, you can’t know anything about supply chain. I need somebody cause I, I need somebody for, you know, um, digital, uh, um, social media. You can’t know anything about supply chain. It’s like, you know, people can know more than one thing and leverage those, integrate them together to improve what you’re doing.

Scott Luton (00:56:46):

Excellent point, excellent. Making those assumptions will cost you, uh, undoubtedly. All right. So Greg, uh, love Kevin and Kim’s perspective and all the good work they do, and the great causes, uh, that they’re, uh, put their, their, uh, rope sleeves and put their, uh, leadership bandwidth towards. But Greg, uh, amongst other things you you’ve got cooking every Monday, Wednesday, Friday, supply chain commentaries. Those have been great. I love the conversations that follow in the comments. Woo. Yeah. Uh, so tell us

Greg White (00:57:17):

About particular topics, drive some very particular comments. And I think what, you know, look, um, I obviously I have a, a lot of thoughts about these things I’ve been in supply chain for a long time. I understand, I believe the dynamics of the things that Kevin and Kim and all of us frankly, are facing for instance, this, um, this notion that, um, you know, that it is so hard to change. It is hard to change, right? What you ha and, and this predilection to tend to change and automate bad old processes. What you have to recognize about digital transformation or supply chain transformation is that you have an opportunity to rethink all of those things. And that’s what I try to do with everything. I’ll take an article, rethink their, their approach or their narrative on a particular topic and, and put that, um, that position out there.

Greg White (00:58:12):

What we have to recognize, particularly around technology and, and particularly around supply chain technology is all of that technology was built when there was a dearth of, uh, of data and it was built using the presumption that there would always be a dearth of data. And that’s why the, some of these ERPs as this article in the manufacturer brilliantly pointed out, that’s why ERPs cannot evolve and you need to layer other technologies on top of them that are open to aware of and useful of this new wealth of data that we have. And these new means of using data and technology to make more rapid, more, accurate, more, um, sustainable decisions in, in technology of any kind, but certainly in the supply chain. So if you wanna hear more of that, which I can imagine that you would Wednesday, you know, I’ll analyze an article and, and put out my narrative on, on the topic that it prompts in my mind sometimes right in line with the article, sometimes just something it triggers in this mind of mind.

Scott Luton (00:59:25):

A lot of times not. I love it. <laugh> uh, and sometimes you’ll find Kim and Kevin in the comment. So y’all check it out Monday, Wednesday, Friday, connect with Greg white on LinkedIn, by the way, uh, Kim, last time you joined us, uh, we talked about Oasis, africa.org. I love what you’re doing there. Y’all check that out. We won’t have time to get into it again here today, but check out Oasis africa.org. They, they could use your support for sure. Or rather yet Oasis africa.org.au to get that right. Okay. Um, well, Kevin, Greg and Kim, we have to wrap here today, leave it here. Uh, folks, whatever you do, there’s so many different, excellent initiatives that needs your support, whether it’s just your mental bandwidth or your other resources, but just pick one and, and take action. And we remind you of this, um, leveraging logistics for Ukraine May 24th working session, no strings attached. You can find that in the comments earlier, or you can go to vector gl.com and learn more about how to sign up for that. Um, on behalf of our entire team, again, shout out to the production team. Excellent job today, Amanda Katherine, Chantel clay, safe travels to clay. Uh, big thanks to Kevin L. Jackson, Kim winter, and, uh, Mr. Greg white folks, whatever you do, Scott, Ludin challenging to do good to give forward and to be the change that’s needed. And with that said, we’ll see you next time, right back here on supply chain.

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