On the latest episode of SCNR, Scott and Greg welcomed Rob Cook, Nick Stylianou, and Asif Naqbi to the SCNR studio at Vector Global Logistics.

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[00:00:29] Good morning. Scott Luton here with you, Lavern Supply Chain Now Radio. Welcome back to the show. On today’s show, we’re going to be discussing a recent report from EFT. The State of Logistics Technology Report. Maroulis offering key takeaways and analysis from a variety of angles. And for those of you that may be new to EFT if supply chain and Logistics intelligence is the global leader in business, intelligence and sea level networking for the transport, Logistics and Supply chain industry, you can learn more at e._m._t dot com. We’re proud to be partners with the great group over there. So quick programming note. Like all of our series on Supply Chain Now Radio, you can find our replays on a variety of channels Apple podcasts, SoundCloud, Spotify, wherever else you find your podcast. As always, we’d love to have you subscribe. Missing thing. One last programming note Supply Chain Now Radio has also brought to you by a variety of sponsors, including the Effective syndicate Supplychainrealestate.com, Barazan ProPurchaser, ProPurchaser.com and several leading organizations. Be sure to check out the show notes to learn more about our valuable sponsors. Okay. Let’s welcome in our co-host today. Greg White, one of our regular co-hosts here at Supply Chain Now Radio Serial Supply chain tech entrepreneur and trusted advisor. Greg, how you doing? Hey, I’m doing great. I’m looking forward to talking to the folks today. We are to this. This report is chock full of a broad variety of takeaways. And with no further ado, let’s welcome in our featured guest today. First off, Rob Cook, chief technology officer at Sheer, Rob. How you doing? We are doing fantastic. Looking forward to getting your insights and perspective on today’s podcast as if not me. Head of partnerships at EFT. Supply chain and Logistics Intelligence. Awesome. Hey, you do it very well.

[00:02:16] Good morning. Good to talk to you guys again.

[00:02:19] Absolutely. And Assaf’s colleague, Nick Stylianou, project director also at E.F. Supply chain and Logistics Intelligence. Nick, how you doing? Doing great. How are you guys doing today? We are doing fantastic. So we’ve got quite a panel convened here. So as I mentioned today, we’re gonna be discussing this this relatively new report out called the State of Logistics Technology Report. It’s been compiled with insights from business leaders across really intense Potchen world. But Nick, let’s talk about the background, the report. What who do we seek out to to to clean all this information from?

[00:02:56] So in a nutshell, I for transport has a global database of around 60 thousand senior SUPPLY CHAIN executives and we regularly release industry white papers and their specific white papers are State of Logistics technology reports. So we sent our survey to a technology focus community and we got survey responses from over 500 industry professionals, 236 Logistics service providers, 101 retailers, manufacturers, 165 solution providers. And then we did that in with our executive insights from faustine guests from Road Runner, Global, Trounstine, Hoba noodly and that formed State of Logistics segment report, which we’ll be discussing today.

[00:03:41] Outstanding. First off, we wanna talk about before you go into takeaways and start kind of chopping up what is in the report that has been pulled away, as Nick’s suggested, from over 500 industry professionals. Rob, first off list, let’s learn a little more about you and what Sheer does.

[00:04:00] Yeah, certainly up again. Rob Cook. And on the CTO of Sheer Logistics somewhere, a third party, Logistics Froome located in St. Lu is obviously being a three P.l. We offer a variety of freight solutions brokerage, freight paid, manage transportation, you name it, we offer it. I think what differentiates us out in the marketplace in the mid-market that we play in is the fact that we do have a very strong technology bet. I personally, I have over twenty five years of experience in the industry. I started out as a consultant to begin with. The Big Six worked with various transportation management companies and wound up with Sheer, been with them for six, seven years now and very happy with the position we’re at right now.

[00:04:45] Outstanding. Well, really appreciate you taking time with us to share your insights, perspective on this information in this report. So with that as a backdrop about you and Sheer, what were some of your key takeaways from this report?

[00:05:00] Oh, yes. I mean, it’s just an excellent report. You know, we’ve been partners with AI for transport. Subscribe to their services for quite some time now. Obviously, they’ve got a good name in the industry as well. So what we see with this report is a lot of validation with what we’re also seeing out there as well. You know, I mean, when you look at all in the three p.m. space and the transportation Logistics supply chain, what one of the things that kind of stands out is the lack of technology innovation that has occurred, say, in the past 10 to 15 years up until the past three years. And then there’s been a significant sea change where there’s now been kind of a technology over low to a certain extent. It’s almost to kind of a quote, a colloquialism. You’re kind of drinking from the fire hose, if you will. And what we see out here is just kind of a validation of what we see in the technologies where we need to be planning for the next 12 months, next 36 months, maybe even the next, even a shorter timeframe with that. And obviously, when you look at the record, especially when you see where others are going to be invested and over the next 12 months or so, it does validate where we’re going to be propagating our investments satis as well.

[00:06:12] You know, when you talking about Sheer and tournament differentiation, one of the things that stood out is when you look at one of the data nuggets that report Sheer, 70 percent of firms are increasing their A-T spend and twenty, twenty, nineteen. And the biggest reason, especially for Logistics service providers, is it’s about differentiation. And that’s that’s what you’re seeing as well, Rob. Absolutely.

[00:06:36] And especially in certain key areas out there. And one of the things you have to do is really kind of look at some of the innovation is coming down the pipe and make sure that you recognize what is going to be out there over the next 12 months and what might be out there over the next 36 months or so as an example.

[00:06:55] Blockchain is, as my friends and I for transport know, I settled on a committee or on a panel discussion last year with the discussion around blockchain. At that point, there was a lot of hype around it. I think we’re we’re at the top of the hype chart and now we’re probably seeing that’s more of a thirty six, maybe forty eight mark timeframe for a certainly there’s going to be a lot of use cases coming down the pipe. We’re still exploring use cases out there, but we’d probably put something that on the back burner.

[00:07:25] Whereas when you look at some of the other things out there around business intelligence visibility and especially from our perspective on the data interchange, we’re maybe investing heavily in those areas.

[00:07:35] You know, I think about some of the drivers of the heavy tech influence on the Logistics service provider industry. And to me, it is from what we’ve seen from consumers that demand to know where and when goods are and the need for immediacy that’s been generated in the you know, in this in this commerce environment has really required what we’re seeing in in the Logistics industry in terms of a greater in greater influence of technology and the greater use of technology in some cases to assure that visibility through the supply chain, in some cases to increase efficiency in the supply chain. Is that consistent with what you guys are seeing out there?

[00:08:25] One hundred percent. I mean, you know, it’s an overused term, but I’m going to go ahead and throw it out. There is the Amazon effect. Absolutely. I mean, you know, you can sit there and look on an app and know where your package is. That’s five pounds, but you don’t know where your 500 pound package is in real time. And so is driving this. That’s really that’s a huge disconnect with that. But more importantly, what we’re doing with that as well as you can to educate the audience. I mean, visibility carries a lot more with it than just the value proposition. We’ll know more about packages if it drives on our or why if properly used as an example. You know, if you look at safety stocks, inst. and things associated with inventory planning and true supply chain, then you can start seeing if you have a great accuracy of visibility when the goods are coming in, especially on international shipments or things. There are three to five days out into the future. You can start driving home a real time true r a y by lowering your safety stock. So visibility has both a soft dollars save and say where’s my 500 pal package? And when you look at it from a supply chain perspective, it also drives Lorelai.

[00:09:33] It also helps with responsive responsiveness in supply chain. Look, we can plan all we want. Right. My most of my technology companies have been around supply chain planning. You can plan all you want, but when the goods are in motion, that’s when the rubber meets the road.

[00:09:46] And and to be able to effectively and rapidly respond requires the visibility that you’re talking about.

[00:09:53] Absolutely. So we do see that as a very key. And when you look at that, the visibility pieces and the data that drives into it fits into the business intelligence piece out there that eft

[00:10:05] Identified and also a lot of the predictive analytics as well. One of the things I like I mean, as you guys probably know, it’s probably preaching to the audience on this is the E.O.D. Man mandate has made available a plethora or usfor, but when use in a way a plethora of data out there for all these E.O.D. Providers. And so now you’re able to tap in all of that this Billiken piece. But you’re also got to keep a bit what you seen in a true dynamic, EDTA. I mean, obviously, e.t.’s have always been around, but now with with some of the higher end pieces, all the visibility being able to see weather related events, traffic congestion, seeing a true EDTA piece of when this driver is going to arrive is is going to also have an hour away in terms of demerged attention.

[00:10:58] You know, dottore schedule planning, all sorts of things out there. And as we drive that data, furtherest start tapping into hours of service. So you to get a true picture of when that those goods are actually in can arrive versus in theory, when when they could arrive.

[00:11:15] Let’s bring ossoff into the conversation. Also, what from the EFT side and your personal perspective, what are some your key takeaways?

[00:11:22] It’s interesting, actually, to him rather than it’s pretty fair to say you probably summed up better than we could. It’s the different types of technologies. The way to look at these things is, is he got business intelligence. It’s a really big generic word. But like Ruppe is making reference to the l_d_a_ devices as some days. Right. But a lot of the conversations I’m exposed to when you have a different technical understanding within a Logistics company. What do you do with that data? What does it actually mean? So data is good. Is data good for data sake?

[00:12:00] But is it actionable data that can help you make good, insightful business decisions? So my mind playing devil’s advocate to some extent, to some extent to give me. And technology is is great. You see lots of industries going through how well I’ve already gone through this way. But we’re also going in parallel to this wave that sometimes technology can overtake the user. And that can be a concern. Sometimes we have too much data mean anything, you know. And I think I don’t want us to get caught up too much in the hype of technology, hype of digitization. These things, I believe, need to be measured totally.

[00:12:44] Look, I think of it. I think of technology and even data as tools. Right. And even if you’ve got even if you’ve got 10 hammers, you can only drive one nail at a time. So, you know, it is possibly possible, as you said, to overwhelm a user with so much data that it doesn’t create it doesn’t create additional capability to make a decision. It actually creates a hindrance to making a decision. And I think what a lot of companies are consciously doing today is they are using that data, more of that data to solve and or recommend and predict. Privett Present. So present recommendations rather than just present data for, you know, a human decision making.

[00:13:30] I couldn’t agree more with that. And I think that’s one of the things that we’re finding is a challenge in our industry right now. You’ve got all these different tech. ologies coming out there where there is visibility, data interchange, Internet of Things, predictive analytics, all of these things are coming about and definitely have had a focus in the past three, maybe five years, but maybe some past three years in it. When you look at a survey and see the percentage you or Fortune 500 based companies are still managing or supply chain transportation Logistics on Excel spreadsheets. Yeah, you’re having to have an A. You can certainly overwhelm the people out. There is a data just for data seg or to what S.F. said. Is it actually actionable data out there? Some of this is noise and some of it is actionable.

[00:14:24] So let’s shift gears a little here, because a big part of the report deals with talent and we all know the air that we’re living in. Rob of it definitely Amazon Air and the Amazon age, but also the war for talent is alive and well in one of the neat things. One, the questions that the report posed to over 500 supply chain professionals and leaders, how are you attracting top technology talent to your organization? And the number one response was a collaborative work environment. So, Rob, one of poses question to you. What does that mean? First off, is that one of the things that your firm can validate? And number two, what does that mean to you?

[00:15:05] Yeah, it is collaboration. Absolutely. I think the one things I took out of there in terms of the talent piece that kind of stood out. And I think one of the things we do very well, the collaboration is not only internally, but it’s externally as well. I think when I saw some of the statistics in there in terms of the percentage of I.T. professionals who do not collaborate with the end customer, it was really a concern. And we do just the opposite. I mean, my team, our group are definitely collaborate with the customer, both our internal customers and also our external customers regularly. So they have a very good understanding that the business side of it.

[00:15:47] The other thing, the challenge with us also in terms of recruiting talent is to be successful. You got to live in both worlds. There’s an I.T. world out there that’s, you know, bits and bytes and coding and Python and Java and and obviously highly technical pieces out there. But she also had to have a business focus. So we were recruiting talent. You do have to have that business focus and some expertise and supply chain to the Logistics and coupling up with the technology piece as well.

[00:16:20] Interesting. OSRF, love for you, Nick, to weigh in on your key takeaways related to the talent findings here.

[00:16:28] Talent’s an interesting one because there’s a bit of clashing cultures to some extent when you have, you know, historically reactive industry like Logistics Lu margins.

[00:16:40] It’s very operational in nature. But then when you have the technology wave, you’re attracting a different mindset. It’s very much one can argue a West Coast jeans and T-shirts start up LLC into our industry and that provides interesting insight and also provide some challenges to a clash of cultures to some extent. You’ve seen this in markets like automotive, where automotive was an industry of mechanical engineers. Now it’s an industry software engineers and try and get software guys to educate mechanical guys. It’s it’s difficult in our world. It’s the software guys educating the operational guys. And it’s that comes with challenges. And I think that will need to be smooth. And to some extent, ultimately, like we’ve always seen in many markets, technology always wins. So this is a inevitable sea change, which is going to have lasting effect. But I think it’s good news is you seeing a lot of help. That collaborative mindset is working culture. That office is now, let’s say, the big guys anyway. Miura in social media companies with deck chairs.

[00:17:57] An unbelievable kitchen with light sufferings everywhere and snacks.

[00:18:01] It’s some that it attracts a different type of place. You have to speak employees language, otherwise you won’t progress.

[00:18:09] We’ll put you, I think if you if you think about it, not not only in this in this area where we’re really trying to attract a very limited talent pool. I mean, there at least in the US, I don’t know what you see in the UK, but at least in the US, there are millions and millions of jobs that are going unfulfilled because we don’t have enough people to fill them in. And in addition to that, you add the you know, the advent of technology in some industries, or at least the expansion of technology in some industries and the notion that technology always wins. I think one of the things that we are very conscious of in this day and age is that the technology needs to do those things that either humans don’t do very well or those things that aren’t terribly satisfying or sometimes even safe for for humans to do.

[00:19:07] And if we position technology like that, then not only does technology win, but everyone wins. Human beings get to do what they’re best at and most satisfied in doing. And technology creates the efficiency, the stability and the repeatability of performance in those things that can be hindered by emotion or, you know, variable execution. So, you know, it’s accretive to the benefit of this limited talent pool. And it also creates an environment for a company that makes them attractive to this limited talent pool.

[00:19:44] So I want to wrap up the analysis of the report here today on cybersecurity. But before we leave talent Robb or Orsa for Nick. Any any final thoughts on the talent portion?

[00:19:59] Ok, we are going to move right along. So there it goes without saying the threat of that. That in in supply chain faces from folks that are that are using a wide variety of technology gaps to gain access and gain information and put what we’ve got to do moving stuff, the right time, the right price, right places all at risk to rob with that backdrop. What? You hear some cyber security and siplon supply chain and Logistics and transportation. What are some of your initial thoughts, especially with this report?

[00:20:38] Yeah, it certainly with a lot of the customers we deal with, especially the Fortune 500 arena. We do deal with a chief information security officer. So we’re always having to validate the software we’re using. The thing that kind of complicates it quite a bit is that now everything is going to the cloud. As we all know, those was migrating off its servers into the cloud. You see things out there with host to team esses, the rise of snowflake on big data, certainly as you’re a W.S. I go on and on and on. And so in a lot of cases, we’re always having to vet and validate the decisions we make in terms of vendors to a chief security officer making sure we do our due diligence. Obviously, it can be a pain sometimes, but at the sink, when I had to understand the position these folks are in and certainly our folks are in as well, too. If there’s ever a hack that it’s going to be their jobs. And so obviously it’s going to be very incumbent on all of us to do the due diligence if I’m going to add a little bit more into that. I do think over the next 36 to 48 months, this could be a role that maybe blockchain could potentially play in. I do set on the standards committee of a blockchain here in the US. And I do see as we start to go out into the Internet of Things, Iot devices, especially around like E.O.D. And also sensors like refrigeration is like a reefers and refrigerated trucks or chip control. There’s a lot of data floating all around the place. And so there could be an opportunity for a blockchain to fill to fulfill that kind of blockchain is how it is distributed ledger ledger technology that could fill in there. And I’ve seen some actionable standards being developed around that.

[00:22:19] So you mentioned the chief information security officer a couple of times in your your comments there. I found it telling in this report that given all of the, you know, the hacks, especially that you think about all the retail stores we’ve seen the last few years for some 43 percent, according to a survey of all shippers have that that CISO in place.

[00:22:43] But when it when you look at the Logistics service providers, only 21 percent of those surveyed believe they needed one in place. That I thought was pretty interesting. Greg White, your thoughts?

[00:22:57] Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it’s well established that the Logistics service provider community lags the the applicability of of technology. You know, it goes back to what Rob was just talking about. But I think what’s stark and concerning about that is that and we were just in Charleston at the AIG conference and we heard from a cybersecurity, a supply chain cybersecurity expert. And, you know, the thing that that he said is people when people think about cybersecurity issues, they think about their credit card being hacked or or something like that. But in truth, the real risk is, is IP intellectual property. And and for Logistics service provider, that is the data on on the shipment’s that is the data of their customers. That is, you know, the data as regards their assets and things like that. And for retailers, technology providers, it’s it’s data that is highly competitive or or highly critical or even the core of a company’s business. And that’s why those companies have have led that, first of all, that technology is highly more and more widely accepted in technology. Obviously, technology industries, but also in retail, arguably shippers being retail, CPG brands and the like. And they’ve had that risk for a long time. The risk is now just becoming apparent to the Logistics service provider industry and I think it’s a bit of an awakening and I think it’s going to take an awakening like it did in other industries for somebody to really get hit hard. And then the rest of the industry wakes up and and recognizes that. I don’t know. That’s my thought. Rob, what do you think?

[00:24:51] No, I agree. And you know, the the other thing with that is amazing. Even in the shipper community, how you have to educate them as well.

[00:25:00] I mean, we deal with all sorts of shippers, Fortune 500 beyond Fortune 500 and even IBSA in the Fortune 500 arena. We do run across some out there that don’t even have what I call a any type anything associated with being a security officer out there or anything where security is even a mandate within the organization. So it is going to be a wakeup call. It’s going to be a wake up call in the Elza LSP market.

[00:25:27] Obviously, those are very stark statistics you have out there, but the shipper community is still got a ways to go as well.

[00:25:36] Ok. I wish we had several hours to dedicate to this report. A lot of great information in here. And it it really it upholds that that standard of EFP is set. Right. Bring in the insights and perspective from the folks that are doing it and leading it to our fingertips. So with that said, Joseph and Nic, let’s talk about the Logistics CEO forum in Austin, Texas. That’s coming up in November. Supply Chain Now Radio is really excited to be there and broadcasting live throughout the two day event. But if you’re if you’re speaking to the market, if you’re speaking to folks across India and Supply chain, why come out to that event? It’s a really good question.

[00:26:20] If you’re speaking to us to some extent by our reporters covered, it’s. The report is a good representation of where our industry is right now. The event isn’t equal to that, meaning that the CEOs that NEC has very good relationships with who are attending this event.

[00:26:38] They’re the guys who hold Birgit. They are the guys with a very, very specific business needs right around 80. So if one is, let’s say you know it clout. If one is in cybersecurity. One is doing back end ERP. This is a fantastic opportunity to position one service offerings to, you know, a hungry industry right now, which is busy integrating this type of tech into the into their processes.

[00:27:07] And so beyond the perspective and the keynotes which you’ve got. Yeah, he’s one of the great keynotes. You also get a lot of what we’ve experienced in the networking, the especially the executive level networking, the sit down and compare notes and exchanges and and best practices and also some of the challenges. Right. That that’s a big benefit of coming out to these types of events, right?

[00:27:31] Yeah, definitely. I feel like what we found, especially with what the CEOs are attending, is they are very collaborative that these organizations are all competitors, are very happy not just to exchange ideas and ultimately move this industry forward. That’s what’s nice about this event is it’s so exclusive and intimate and it allows these these senior executives to exchange nights, such as you mentioned in Ray, talk about their challenges that day to day issues that they’re facing and provide a blueprint that they can take them to their office, whether that’s in some Lewis or Atlanta or San Francisco or Austin to to solve some of that day. State of Logistics.

[00:28:13] So Lu really looking forward to being at the Logistics CEO forum in Austin. Registration is still open and also for net.

[00:28:24] What’s the best way to direct folks to learn more about the event and register will be the event information as it is on f_f_t_ dot com will also provide a link that you can put in the description of this podcast that allow people to access the web site and see all the relevant information to Ryder System.

[00:28:42] Ok. Fantastic. Well, thanks to to each of you all for joining in on this panel as we drove into the state of Logistics technology report, which you can find more information and probably acquire that. IFTIKHAR Right, guys?

[00:28:58] Yep, that’s right.

[00:28:59] Thus you get all the information, the big thanks to Rob Cook, chief technology officer at Sheer. Rod we hope to see in Austin. I’ll definitely be there. OK. We’re going to we’re going to sit back down with you. Yes, that’s right. We’ll dive into not just this report, all things we’ve talked about, but we’ll talk more about all the neat things that Sheer is up to and get your take on a wide range of things from innovation to talent technology. Looking forward to it. Also, if not V and Nick Stylianou, both with EFT Thank you to each of you all and your organization for what you do for bringing this information in a very digestible format to industry.

[00:29:40] Thank you. Thank you very much. What’s the meeting you see in Austin and tastic?

[00:29:46] Well, hey, Greg, we’re gonna wrap it real quick on a couple of events that we’re gonna be at. And you know, we encourage all of our audience. Come check us out in person. Well, we love to sit down with the movers and shakers across and then supply chain and get them to weigh in or just like we’ve done today. Yeah, you heard from Rob who who is leading an organization leading especially from a technology standpoint. Right.

[00:30:06] Clearly with a with a sound technology. Right. I mean, you have to acknowledge that there probably are probably one of the leaders in regard to that. I mean, first of all, being on the blockchain committee for the country is that’s a pretty impressive position in the market.

[00:30:21] And it’s important for entry know establishing those standards. And then hopefully what follows establishing the standards is creating certifications for the wide range of consultants that are out there that are consulting on blockchain, right? Yeah. When I think industry and organizations need to know, they’re talking with folks that can do what they say they can do. Yeah, right. No doubt. So we’ll see. It’s exciting time to be in Supply chain certainly from a technology standpoint. But first off, we’re going to show a couple events here. You can learn more on the events tab at Supply Chain Now Radio dot com if you can’t find what you’re looking for on anything that we talked about today. You can shoot us note to connect at Supply Chain Now Radio dot com and we’ll help you out. So, Greg, our next big event, October night right here in Atlanta, the Georgia Manufacturing Summit.

[00:31:08] What’s going on? So that’s brought to you by the Georgia manufacturing alliance. Right. And October 9th at the Cop Galleria Center, about a thousand people from the some of the 10000 manufacturers in Georgia and the companies that do business with them. By the way, if you want to attend, you don’t have to be a company from Georgia, but maybe even just interested in doing business in Georgia. We have a couple of panel sessions. Scott would never toot his own horn, but he’s leading a panel session of industry leaders. And Bo Gruver from the Effective syndicate also leading a panel session. And then we are gonna be broadcasting live a couple of supply surprise, foreign trade ministers, some of our neighbors.

[00:31:52] Yeah, hot topic, trade, tariffs and keynotes from PMG and Kia Motors there October 9th. You can learn more at Georgia manufacturing alliance WSJ.com. They will be back in Charleston October 23rd at the South Carolina. Just ticks. Tech talk. Yeah, you can learn more about that event, which is put on by the South Carolina Council on Competitiveness. SC Competes dot org. We’ve talked about the Austin. We’re looking forward to the trip in Austin. We really have enjoyed the programming of EAFE puts on. We may or may not have an EMT tattoo on our right arms. We’re we’re big fans, big fans and had a great time in June here in Atlanta with their event here.

[00:32:35] We’re going to help you, F.T. Keep Austin weird. That’s right. Also, good to be in the south in November in the US to keep it warm as well.

[00:32:44] November 7th and 8th. Twenty nineteen. Right. A few weeks for Thanksgiving here. Looking forward to that. And then flip the calendar. We’ll be in Vegas with the reverse Logistics Association in February. Twenty, twenty. And then, of course, Madox back here in Atlanta in March. Scott Luton and thirty five thousand of his closest friends begin biotech’s. Well, look at looking for. We’ll be broadcasting throughout those four days or hosting our 2020 Atlanta Supply chain awards. And we recently secured our keynote for this Atlanta Supply chain Awards. Kristen Fisher, Christian Fisher, president and CEO at Georgia Pacific. Appreciate their support. And looking forward to his insights there you can learn more about mutex at mutex show dot com. Once again, a big thanks to our guest today. Really enjoyed the conversation. Rob Cook CTO was Sheer ossoff not be head of partnerships at EFT Supply chain and Logistics Intelligence and his colleague Nick Stylianou is a project director at f_f_t_ and big. Thanks my Greg White. Well, thanks to you. None of this happens without you. So we sidestepped all the Murphy’s Law challenges and tried to have a show just about what it took to get this show on the air today. Well, big thanks. A great conversation. We’ll look forward to having everybody back. I’ll be sure to check out other upcoming events, replays, our interviews, other resources at Supply Chain Now Radio dot com financial Gnatpole podcast. Wherever else you find your podcast. Be sure to subscribe to LLC thing on behalf of the entire Supply Chain Now Radio team. This is Scott Luton. Wish you a wonderful week ahead and we will see you next time on Supply Chain Now Radio.