Supply Chain Now
Episode 1087

Procurement, suppliers, and stakeholders need to find better ways to collaborate on EV battery product design. They must find different types of battery technology while managing costs and driving sustainability – as well as sustainable sources of supply.

-Leah Knight, SAP

Episode Summary

The Supply Chain Buzz is Supply Chain Now’s regular Monday livestream, held at 12n ET each week. This show focuses on some of the leading stories from global supply chain and global business, always with special guests – the most important of which is the live audience!

This week’s edition of The Buzz featured Leah Knight, a member of the product marketing and direct spend solutions teams at SAP. Her team is focused on helping companies manage a full end-to-end procurement process for their products: product design, launch, through volume manufacturing and renegotiation of huge multi-year contracts. For OEMs like those in automotive, material costs are often volatile, making co-innovation with suppliers absolutely critical to growth and competitive advantage.

In this livestream, created in collaboration with a live Supply Chain Now audience, Leah, Scott and Greg discussed:

• How and why retail giant Target is expanding its next day delivery program, investing $100M between now and 2026

• How a ransomware attack led Dole to pause production at its North American food plants and suspend shipments

• How the automotive industry – and their supporting supply chains – are adapting to support the transition to EVs

Episode Transcript

Intro/Outro (00:03):

Welcome to Supply Chain Now, the voice of global supply chain. Supply Chain Now focuses on the best in the business for our worldwide audience, the people, the technologies, the best practices, and today’s critical issues, the challenges and opportunities. Stay tuned to hear from those making global business happen right here on Supply Chain Now.

Scott Luton (00:31):

Hey. Hey. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are. Scott Luton and Greg White here with you on Supply Chain Now. Welcome to today’s show. Gregory, how are we doing today?

Greg White (00:41):

Very well, Scott. I see that you got a little sun this weekend. Tell us about it.

Scott Luton (00:47):

Understatement of the year. Amanda and I took off for a quick weekend trip to Key West, and we had a delightful time.

Greg White (00:56):


Scott Luton (00:56):

Yeah. We drove around way too much in a convertible. As you can see, my sunglasses did a good job, but I needed a little more suntan lotion maybe.

Greg White (01:06):

And did you ride scooters there? I know that’s a big tradition on Key West. Or did you just have to dodge them in the street?

Scott Luton (01:13):

We dodged scooters, go-karts, golf carts, you name it, but had a blast doing it.

Greg White (01:19):


Scott Luton (01:19):

And speaking of having a blast though, we’re back here every Monday, 12:00 noon Eastern Time, Greg, for The Supply Chain Buzz. Right?

Greg White (01:28):

So much better than being at the beach.

Scott Luton (01:30):

No kidding, man. And we’re going to be covering some of the leading stories you got to have on your radar across global supply chain and global business. And, Greg, we’ve got a wonderful guest joining us here about 12:25, don’t we?

Greg White (01:42):

Yes, we do. And I’m not going to announce his or her name.

Scott Luton (01:48):

I’m going to beat you to the punch. I’m going to beat you to the punch. I’m going to say we have Leah Knight with SAP. She’s going to be joining us about 12:25 p.m. Eastern Time. We’re going to be talking, in particular about many things, especially the automotive industry when she joins us. So, stay tuned for that. And we want to hear from you too, Greg, right?

Greg White (02:06):

A knowledgeable and seasoned practitioner. So, someone that I think everyone can relate to. I mean, she has been doing it – well, we’ll let her tell you how long. But she is not what I would call a supply chain enthusiast. She’s a supply chain biker.

Scott Luton (02:26):

The real deal. Holy field.

Greg White (02:27):

Real expert. Yeah. Right.

Scott Luton (02:29):

Well, looking forward to Leah joining us here in about 23 minutes, but who’s counting. But, folks, again, you’re going to hear from Greg and get some of his expertise and analysis. We’re going to walk through the headlines. But we also want to hear from you, so use that chat toolbar and let us know what you think of the conversations we have.

Scott Luton (02:47):

Speaking of which, Greg, I’m going to say hello to a few folks, and then we’re going to share a couple programming items. Of course, Amanda and Katherine behind the scenes helping to make production happen here today. “Happy Buzz Day,” Amanda says. Shelly Phillips – great to have you – “Good morning from Colorado.” I bet it’s gorgeous out there this time of year, Greg, you think?

Greg White (03:05):

Well, it depends on the day. You know, yesterday might have been 70 and today it could be 22 and snowing a foot. You know how Colorado is this time of year. Shelly, you got to fill us in. By the way, Shelly had some really interesting introspective dialogue on one of my commentaries – last week? Yeah – last week. So interesting, she’s very insightful, obviously.

Scott Luton (03:29):

Shelly, and we’re also going to have you on the sports show coming soon. So, Shelly, keep up the great work as always. Let’s see here. Hey, my old friend, James Moore, from Tampa is tuned in here today. James, great to see you.

Greg White (03:41):

Hey, James. Let me know what you’re doing Wednesday night. If you’re free, I have a reservation at Bern’s that I’m not going to be able to go to. So, I was just thinking of who could take advantage of that. So, let’s chat.

Scott Luton (03:57):

James, shoot me a note on LinkedIn or should Greg a note. We’ll, make that happens. Great to see you though. Omcar from Mumbai in India via LinkedIn. Great to see you. Looking forward to hearing your perspective on what we’re chatting about here today.

Greg White (04:11):

No reservations in Mumbai. Sorry —

Scott Luton (04:13):

Not this week. Gino is with us from Northern Alabama. Gino, great to see you here today. Let’s see. Mick tuned in from Washington D.C. via LinkedIn. Michael from Boston via LinkedIn. Of course, I mentioned Heavy Hitter Katherine.

Greg White (04:30):

Holding down the fort on YouTube.

Scott Luton (04:31):

That’s right. That’s right. Jules from LinkedIn from the Republic of Congo.

Greg White (04:40):

Democratic Republic of the Congo. The Congo, we westerners call it.

Scott Luton (04:43):

That’s right. Joshua from Sunny California. Well, Joshua, you’ve got something in common with our guest who also finds herself in California. So, hey, welcome to everybody. I know we couldn’t hit everybody, but welcome. We look forward to your perspective as we work through a jam-packed show here on The Supply Chain Buzz. Greg, are you ready to get down to work?

Greg White (05:07):

Yeah. If we got to call it work, yes.

Scott Luton (05:09):

Well, let’s start with some resources. So, folks, it’s always good to have resources. The U.S. Bank Freight Payment Index for Q4 2022 is now available. It’s free. And as you see there, it really focuses on volume and freight volume and freight spend domestically. So, check this out. You can get your copy at It’s just that easy, right, Greg?

Greg White (05:36):

It is. And it’s that useful. And by the way, if we can drop the link into the last assessment of that, which continually reinforces that you should get the Freight Payment Index. But what a great discussion we had with Enrique Alvarez from Venture Global Logistics and Bobby Holland, of course, from U.S. Bank. But that one was particularly good, don’t you think?

Scott Luton (06:01):

That’s right. Oh, no doubt.

Greg White (06:03):

And real, practical, useful perspectives there. And we’ve changed up the format a little bit so that it’s enough about the report, but also about what the heck people are doing with it and what you can do with it.

Scott Luton (06:17):

Great. Greg, that is a great call out. I tried to combine Greg and great there. Great call out, Greg. And let’s see —

Greg White (06:25):

Many people have that challenge.

Scott Luton (06:27):

We just dropped a link to both the index as well as that episode Greg is talking about, because we framed it around five things, five key takeaways from the Freight Payment Index. So, y’all check that out and let us know what you think of the conversation.

Scott Luton (06:43):

Hey, speaking of great resources, Greg, we have one of Leah’s many colleagues, the one and only, Ursula Ringham from SAP joining us, along with Brandi Boatner from IBM on March 21st. Now, this is going to be a very unique webinar. It’s not so much focused on supply chain as it is on creating content that matters, creating content that resonates. So, join us on March 21st at 12:00 noon Eastern Time. Because Greg, everybody’s creating content these days, right?

Greg White (07:13):


Scott Luton (07:14):

Some of it better than others, right?

Greg White (07:16):

Yes. That’s right. Some are better at creating content than doing the work. Jake Paul is a great example who got pounded in his boxing match the other day. Some people should stick to YouTube and not to be experts in that which they are enthusiasts.

Scott Luton (07:34):


Greg White (07:35):

But, yes, Ursula and Brandi, of course, experts. So, learn from the best. Forget about —

Scott Luton (07:45):

March 21st, 12:00 noon Eastern Time with me, and Greg, and Ursula, and Brandi.

Greg White (07:50):

First full day of spring also.

Scott Luton (07:52):

Oh, is it? Okay. Man, great timing. We were just talking about some of the things blooming across the beautiful State of Georgia and California in the pre-show. All right. So, Greg, we’re going to move fast today. We’ve got a lot to get through between now and Leah joining us around 12:25. Are you ready?

Greg White (08:10):


Scott Luton (08:11):

So, let’s do this. I want to walk through some headlines first and then we’re going to talk about one of your supply chain summaries. So, I want to start with this read from the Wall Street Journal, retailing giant, Target, is planning on significantly expanding its next day delivery program. The company is investing a $100 million into next day, and it’s going to be opening at least – at least – six more sortation centers across the country by 2026. Target executive stated in the recent earnings call that brick and mortar Target stores were handling, Greg, some 95 percent of online order fulfillment volumes. How about that? And we’re going to drop the link to that read in the chat.

Scott Luton (09:00):

Really quick, as reported by Supply Chain Dive, Dole said last week that the company had been hit with a ransomware attack – join the crowd – causing the company to pause production at food plants in North America, as well as suspending shipments temporarily. Many analysts are reporting that the global food industry has become a bigger, if not the biggest target, for bad actors in recent years. But, folks, as Greg and I have chatted with numerous guests through the years, it’s only going to get worse and worse, more attacks and more complex attacks as well.

Scott Luton (09:32):

And then, finally – Greg, I’ll get your to take on this before we move to your supply chain summary – remember that term from a couple years ago, retail apocalypse? We had shows around the theme, some really interesting shows. Well, the Daily Mail is asking if the U.S. is entering another retail apocalypse as more than 800 retail stores are set to close across the country this year. Now, Bed Bath and Beyond kind of sticks out differently because we know what that’s related to. But Bed Bath and Beyond, Tuesday Morning, Gap, Walmart all set to close stores over 800 locations across the country. So, Greg, before we move into your supply chain summary, you’ve talked and kind of analyzed what’s going on at Bed Bath and Beyond, but whether it’s that or whether it’s what’s going on across retail, your quick comment before we move into one of your popular summaries.

Greg White (10:24):

Yeah. Let me start with no.

Scott Luton (10:29):

I love that.

Greg White (10:30):

The U.S. is not going into a retail apocalypse. So, I want to let that simmer there for a second. Thank you for allowing that to happen, Scott. No, and I’ll tell you why. If you look at companies like J. Jill, by the way, whose stock is up 74 percent since August. Academy Sports, Dick’s Sporting Goods – which is acquiring other businesses like they’re going out of style, some of which may actually be going out of style, but soon to be saved by Dick’s Sporting Goods – and companies like Target who’ve had a strong comeback from a horrible year where they, basically, did a ton of damage to themselves, companies that are capital – it’s funny, Scott, I didn’t know you were going to choose this article first thing this morning because I didn’t read your email when you sent it early this morning when I was thinking about retail and about why so many stocks. There’s a company called The Buckle, Academy Sporting Goods, J. Jill, and others whose stocks are just exploding. And I was thinking why is that.

Greg White (11:34):

And here’s why. They are capital efficient businesses. They’re not over leveraged with debt. They didn’t over invest in inventory. They didn’t get crazy in post-casting and looking at demand from 2021 and think that that would be what demand looked like in 2022. And these other companies are just some of the most – the word poorly, I’m going to say – poorly – it was another four letter word – elite – that I was thinking of – because they are run that bad. Bed Bath and Beyond is one of the worst businesses in America. Likewise, Party City, so poorly run and poorly capitalized. Tuesday Morning is kind of a secondhand store, I don’t know. It’s kind of like the home goods section of a T.J. Maxx or a Ross, which also are exploding, by the way. Their businesses are doing quite well. So, I think these are examples of the exception, not the rule, incredibly poorly run businesses by management teams that should have been fired a long time ago and propped up by these idiot retail investors who bought companies like AMC and Bed Bath and Beyond trying to kill the shorters in the stock market. So, these companies should have run out of capital a long, long time ago in a lot of cases. And they’re getting their comeuppance.

Greg White (13:00):

Now, let me address Walmart, because most of the store closings that they’re having are because they are doing away with their e-commerce only stores, stores that only fulfilled e-commerce. And they’re going more to – to the first story we talked about – stores fulfilling e-commerce from the store, which makes so much sense for a big box type retailer like Target, BestBuy, Walmart, HomeDepot.

Scott Luton (13:30):

Well,that is like a retail quick minute. Thank you for your quick analysis there, Greg.

Greg White (13:37):

How long was that. There’s no way that was just a minute.

Scott Luton (13:40):

Probably two minutes, but hey. So, no, folks, there is no retail apocalypse. And we’d welcome your opinions there on that or some of Greg’s commentary.

Greg White (13:49):

I would call it retail reckoning for those who are capital inefficient. How’s that?

Scott Luton (13:55):

I like that better. I like that much better. All right. So, a couple quick comments, then we’re going to move into Greg White’s supply chain commentary. And then, we’re going to have a special guest in Leah Knight with SAP join us. But really quick, I want to go back. Hey, James. Hey, he’s game. So, he’d love to dine at Bern’s on Wednesday night. James, shoot us a note and we’ll get you connected. Unless Greg was kidding.

Greg White (14:21):


Scott Luton (14:24):

All right. Wonderful. Wonderful. Let’s see here. Shelly, back on Target, she loves Target and she gets in trouble there sometimes. We probably all do at times. Let’s see here. And, also Shelly says, “Retail is like the fable, The Ant and The Grasshopper. This is winter for retail.” That’s a good point. Good point.

Greg White (14:43):

So, also like Game of Thrones.

Scott Luton (14:47):

Ah. Man, that’d be a great —

Greg White (14:49):

Winter is coming.

Scott Luton (14:50):

Yes. Great meme. And then, Mark – hey, Mark. Great to see you. The rebate evangelist does great work over there. So, Mark says, “Please, can everyone send some tomatoes and cucumbers to the UK? We have plenty of toilet roll in our cupboards but no vegetables.” It’s crazy. Have you been reading any of that, Greg, about what’s going on with produce in UK?

Greg White (15:18):

Yeah. Actually, we knew that this was coming some months ago. You know, we realized that South America, where we get those kind of goods from this time of year, and other places south of the equator where their growing seasons are opposite had some devastating happenings in terms of their crops. So, we’ve known this is coming. Move to the U.S., Mark.

Scott Luton (15:46):

Yeah. Come on, Mark.

Greg White (15:47):

I mean, I don’t know why. I mean, they have to get more for their goods in UK because everything is so expensive there. But everybody seems to funnel this stuff to the States because it’s a big humongous consumer market. We will have shortages. We will never have them on the same level that the UK or other European countries.

Scott Luton (16:14):

Yeah. Thank you for that, Greg. And, Mark, again, great work. It was great to collaborate with you and the Enable team last week. All right. So, Greg, before we bring in our guest, we want to talk about the supply chain summary – those were popular – that you wrote last week. And then, we’ve got one quick public service announcement related to an initiative that we’re supporting. So, let’s talk about the Kansas City market, Greg, and what’s going on there?

Greg White (16:41):

Yeah. So, interesting, I commented on an article about Kansas City and Missouri markets. They were talking about Missouri generally, but really it’s mostly Kansas City. And, in fact, it’s not just Kansas City, Missouri. Some of you around the world may not know there are two Kansas cities, Kansas City, Kansas, and Kansas City, Missouri. Please don’t ask me why and never get a discussion with a Chiefs fan about that either. But that whole area, because it is very, very near the geographic center of the contiguous 48 states of the United States, has always been a big hub for distribution. It used to be a family-owned business, multiple families ran it. But now a lot more corporate. And it’s funny because this article talks about all of the industrial real estate changes that have happened since COVID and this huge explosion of industrial and fulfillment distribution type centers. But that was already happening starting in about 2018 in Kansas City, again, because of the pressure to have two day delivery to everywhere.

Greg White (17:45):

So, it made me think that as the market is slowing down in Kansas City, we haven’t seen that throughout the country, but Kansas City seems to be a leading indicator for what’s about to happen across the country. Maybe not on the coasts, but in the other sort of flyover areas of the country where people are trying to place distribution centers for one, two, even same day fulfillment. So, that was just what it made me think of. Kansas City has been very, very good about it and it has really become. The industry of Kansas City is to provide these fulfillment centers. So, keep an eye on that market was the upshot of that article. You can read the commentary. I think somebody dropped it in there. When they say KC commentary, that’s not the Chiefs commentary. So, it didn’t have some Chiefs commentary.

Scott Luton (18:47):

The reigning Super Bowl champions, we should say

Greg White (18:51):

Is that right, Scott? I did not know that. Ask me how I feel, Scott. Ask me how I feel.

Scott Luton (18:57):

How do you feel about that, Greg?

Greg White (18:58):

Like a three-time Super Bowl Champ. But back to the point at hand, and that is – I do believe and I’m not saying I’m right. I just believe I’m right, like all of you – I think that you can keep an eye on this market that is central – literally, central to logistics in the United States, and also very central to some of the trends as regards transportation and warehousing. So, it could be an indicator of things to come. And building and lease uptake has slowed dramatically in that part of the world as we are, of course, more and more able to go back to those retail stores who are not failing.

Scott Luton (19:39):

Yeah. Well, so check it out. One of the best parts about these commentaries – again, you’ll find this on Greg White’s LinkedIn profile or feed Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. And beyond Greg’s brilliance that he shares. I’m not least bit biased – folks, as Greg mentioned, I think Shelly, all the comments on there —

Greg White (20:02):

Yeah. The commentary is so useful.

Scott Luton (20:06):

Yeah. It almost becomes like a Reddit. Informed expert Reddit feed is kind of what that LinkedIn conversation that follows your summary, so love it. Use the link, let us know what you think. Put your comment in there and we’d welcome your perspective. Hey, going back to Super Bowl, Stephen via LinkedIn – Stephen, let us know where you’re tuned in from – he says, “New England was being charitable.” Greg, I’ll —

Greg White (20:33):

Does that mean by keeping their loud mouth quarterback, Mac Jones? Or does that mean by losing so many games so it was so much easier for the rest of the AFC?

Scott Luton (20:41):

Well, Stephen is going to weigh in there. And all this is a good spirited banner. NFL, that creates some of the most passionate discussions.

Greg White (20:53):

I love it. One of my best buddies is a New England fan. And my brother lives in Boston, so he’s become a New England fan. And it is fascinating. It’s all with love.

Scott Luton (21:07):

All with love.

Greg White (21:08):

Mini tiny bit of hate right in the middle of the conversation.

Scott Luton (21:12):

All right. Well, kidding aside, I want to move and share the most recent update here on this wonderful program. So, Greg mentioned Enrique Alvarez with Vector Global Logistics earlier, man, just one of the good folks out there in the industry, always doing big things, helping support a wide variety of nonprofits. This has been running sadly. Sadly, we have to have a need for this. But about a year, Leveraging Logistics for Ukraine, so far this effort led by Vector, a big ecosystem around the world has contributed, together, over 670,000 pounds of humanitarian aid has reached families in need in Ukraine and Poland and elsewhere. Folks, they’re driven by these monthly planning meetings. And the next one is March 7th at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time. The good thing is you don’t have to give anything. You don’t have to say anything. You can show up and just kind of connect the dots and get a sense of what goes on. And, typically, you leave that session with lots of market intel.

Scott Luton (22:17):

Greg, the last one I attended, I think last month, they had a gentleman there, an American from – I can’t remember where he is from, but they call him Bakhmut Brad, because he has ventured over there, he’s like a one person mission. And he helps to evacuate Ukrainians from that eastern portion of the country. He has saved hundreds of lives. He’s been interviewed by NBC News and all these folks. And he is right there with the ecosystem that’s pulled together. And folks could ask him questions. So, they did a great job. So, y’all check it out. You got to join March 7th, 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time and help out. What a noble mission this is. Greg, your quick comment, and then we’re going to bring on our featured guests here today.

Greg White (23:01):

Yeah. I mean, whether you are just interested and just want to hear what’s going on or you think you might be able to help, tune in. A lot of people have just tuned in with curiosities and have been able to find a solution to help over there. So, it’s all 100 percent of everything raised or donated goes right to the people in need. Not a single dollar in administrative costs. In fact, there are administrative costs which are being covered by Enrique and his team or some very generous shipping rates by – is it Kuehne+Nagel? I think Kuehne+Nagel and one other —

Scott Luton (23:46):


Greg White (23:46):


Scott Luton (23:47):

Yeah. Well, regardless, it takes a village and there is a wonderful community that’s pulled together with this singular mission in mind, which is to help. So, y’all join us on March 7th, 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time to learn a lot more. And the link to join in is in the comments. Okay.

Scott Luton (24:05):

We said it’s going to be fast moving. We’ve walked through headlines. We’ve walked through some hot take – goodness gracious – from Greg White. We’ve talked Super Bowl. We’ve talked humanitarian, because we’re in a position to really help others in ways that many other folks in different industries aren’t in that same position to do. And, now, we’re going to gain more insights and expertise from our featured guests here today. We’ve really enjoyed our pre-show session. So, with that said, I want to welcome in Leah Knight with the Direct Spend Solutions team at SAP. Leah, how are you doing?

Leah Knight (24:41):

I’m doing great, Scott and Greg. How are you both?

Greg White (24:45):

Very good. Thanks. Welcome aboard.

Scott Luton (24:48):

Welcome aboard. And by the way, I love that colorful scarf, Leah. I’ve got to get one of those.

Leah Knight (24:55):

Thank you. It would look good on you.

Greg White (24:58):

It’s an ascot for you, Scott, and you tuck into your shirt and look like Cary Grant.

Scott Luton (25:02):

Ascot. Yeah, ascot. Well, Leah, I love that. And, again, we have really enjoyed our pre-show sessions. I love what you and your team are up to. So, Greg and Leah, our fun warmup question is not going to be related to fashion. It just kind of dawned on me how pretty that was. Let’s talk about food, one of our other favorite topics here. So, Leah, hard-hitting question, tomorrow is National Pancake Day. Parades everywhere. That begs a question in my mind, at least, pancakes or waffles, IHOP or Waffle House? Weigh in, Leah. Your take.

Leah Knight (25:38):

Scott, I was not expecting such a tough question. Let me give it some thought. You know, I actually love them both. It really reminds me of long ago road trips, taking a nice long break from the road. But, you know, I’d have to go with waffles because you can’t beat that crunch that you get in good waffle.

Scott Luton (26:05):

Oh, man. Leah, I’m with you. And that crunch, as we were talking pre-show, a little bit of butter and syrup, especially at Waffle House – I’m partial there – oh, goodness. Greg, what’s your take though?

Greg White (26:16):

Well, you know, Leah made me think about my take. So, I am – I don’t know what you would call it – I love this term, “Why be a slave to the ore when you can have the freedom of the end.” I love them both. But, Leah, you made me think of old-fashioned waffle irons, so I always think of my great-grandparents when I think of waffles because they had an old-fashioned waffle iron actually made out of iron. And it was impossible. Only my great-grandmother could do it. It was impossible to make waffles. So, whenever we would go over there, which was very frequently, she made delicious waffles. She was the only one who could cook them. Nobody else could figure out how to make that thing work. There was no light. There was no power. She put it on her gas stove. But, man, they were spectacular.

Scott Luton (27:10):

It sounds.

Greg White (27:11):

Today, it’s waffles. Yeah. Today, it’s definitely waffles.

Scott Luton (27:13):

Leah, I don’t know about you. I’m just in love with the process that Greg laid out there. They could have been making anything. But I love being in the kitchen with folks that know how to cook. It’s such a fascinating experience. And the food being good is just like gravy on top. All right. A couple quick comments, as we knew, this tough question, we get some comments. Hey mom, love ya. Leah Luton from Aiken, South Carolina says, “Gracie, my second daughter, would say, IHOP and pancakes. That girl loves some IHOP. You’re right. Mom, you are right. And Amanda says, “I’m with Leah. Tough choice, but I love the crunch of waffles, a bunch of butter and syrup. Yummy.” And Stephen says, “Hey, buttermilk pancakes.” Buttermilk pancakes.

Greg White (28:00):

There you go. Yeah.

Scott Luton (28:01):

Yeah. Good stuff there. By the way, Stephen hails from Boston. Him and, of course, the one and only, Kelly Barner. And Karen says, “Mm-hm as I eat my avocado.” Sorry, Karen, but good job sticking with healthy, healthy food.

Greg White (28:17):

Yeah. That’s right. Somebody’s got to live true to this.

Scott Luton (28:21):

That’s right. All right. So, Leah and Greg, and all of y’all, thanks for playing along. Let’s move into, though, more headlines really. And, Leah, I know you’re tracking a few things. I want to pull up this first graphic here as we talk about a couple more articles here. A few weeks ago, our friends at Supply Chain Dive published an article. I think it’s part of a series. In this case, the article is focused on supply chain shortages in 2023. One of those four items, Leah and Greg, was Lithium and other EV components. So, Leah, tell us more here.

Leah Knight (28:57):

Yeah. Absolutely. You know, the automotive industry is really transforming as demand for electric vehicles and connected cars is just completely changing market dynamics. And that’s creating a huge impact on procurement. And so, this article discusses how the price of lithium – lithium is one of those goods and tight supply. And it’s also a very critical part of electronic vehicle content, the battery content – well, the prices of lithium have surged more than tenfold over the past two years. Tenfold, I mean, you can imagine.

Leah Knight (29:31):

But then, on the other hand, the article also discusses how 2023 could be the fourth year of semiconductor shortages or it could be the year when demand and supply finally stabilize. So, both of these examples on kind of complete ends of the spectrum show that procurement teams are under a lot of pressure to manage commodities and to manage suppliers where supply can be scarce. And, also, to manage pricing agreements when supply starts to increase, prices go down, and everything is a lot less scarce.

Scott Luton (30:09):

All right. So, Greg, we have known for years now that procurement is cool, number one. And number two, has a seat at the table more and more so here lately for some of the reasons that Leah points out. Your thoughts here around lithium and EV component shortages and what we’re doing about it.

Greg White (30:28):

Yeah. I mean, the shortage is real because it’s a natural resource. Lithium, cobalt and, of course, the rare earth minerals that go into semiconductors as well are all natural resources. So, much like fossil fuels, the resource is finite. So, we have to manage that very carefully. And, also, of course, if you’ve ever been to Chile or Argentina or any of these African countries or China, where they mine this stuff, I’ll say relentlessly, it’s incredibly destructive to the planet and permanently so. So, it’s a real challenge.

Greg White (31:13):

And, Leah, I don’t even know how practical this is, but one of the things that I have long advocated for in my over two decades is we need to figure out other ways to build batteries. There are other potential methodologies out there that would not take these types of material or not all of these types of materials, and could reduce both the cost potentially at this point now that costs are so high. It actually opens the door for looking at some of these other methodologies, I guess is the point. That’s not really the job of procurement, but it’s often prompted by procurement because they go ten times as much. Is there any anything else we could substitute for this? That, often, will drive scientists and researchers to start to look for other types of resources to tackle this problem. And I think that it’s something we should seriously consider.

Scott Luton (32:09):

Excellent point, Greg. And I see you nodding your head, Leah. Anything else you want to add before we move on to our next article here?

Leah Knight (32:15):

Well, actually, I think that’s a great segue to the next article, because that’s one of the things they question, Greg, so, you’re spot on. Will this cause the fundamental makeup of electric vehicle batteries to change? And if so, how? Maybe redesign with different kinds of components? Will that impact the longevity of the battery? Will it make them more difficult to drive?

Scott Luton (32:42):

We’re going to dive in head first in just a minute to the second read. I want to share a couple of quick comments here. And by the way, folks, we got a link to the Supply Chain Dive article, this first one here we covered with Karen right there in the comments – I’m sorry – Leah right there in the comments, so y’all check that out. I’m saying Karen, because Karen is in the comments as well. And Karen says, “As a result -“going back to something, I think, Greg mentioned “- Tesla suppliers opening a new plant that’s dedicated to lithium ion batteries.”

Greg White (33:14):

Well, it was Elon Musk – is that how you say his name? – Elon Musk three years ago who said, if you want to be the next billionaire, start mining lithium. And I think Leah has validated that position.

Scott Luton (33:28):

Right. And Shelly, also, you’re talking about some of the mining practices, Greg, that industry’s becoming more and more aware of, thankfully, so we can do something about it. Shelly says, “I cringe when I think about the mining, the destruction, and the possible child labor. And Kelly’s article -” Kelly Barner “- from last week, Russia or China, how do you choose?” Good point there. Okay.

Scott Luton (33:52):

So, Leah, you mentioned that was a great segue. I agree. Let’s move to this next article here that we’ve got teed up. Now, here, we want to dive in a little bit deeper to the wonderful world of automotive. One of the most important industries around the world, really. In particular, the supply chain and technology themes for that industry in 2023. So, tell us more, Leah.

Leah Knight (34:14):

Yes. Absolutely. So, this article discusses a number of things, but one of the things that really caught my eye was its discussion of new sources of growth for automakers, in particular in the area of connected services. So, that tremendous opportunity there, also some impact on procurement. And as we just discussed, as Greg kind of divined, it also talks about different scenarios for electric battery evolution, especially as new legislation is likely to drive up demand for these cars even further.

Leah Knight (34:50):

So, you know, Scott and Greg, both of these points really show how automakers are needing to drive and develop new innovations they need to make heavy investment in new technology. And if you think about that, all of that really requires some new skillsets in procurement, new skillsets in supply chain because procurement, especially, they need to go find and source the best suppliers for these new types of commodities, for these new types of technology. And then, they need to partner with them very effectively in new product development. Or the alternative is building all that expertise up themselves. So, some pretty significant sea changes in the procurement area in this industry.

Scott Luton (35:33):

Great point, Leah. And having the technology and the talent to take advantage in a good way, business way, of the opportunity that’s out there that you’re speaking to is absolutely critical. Greg, speak to that, whether some of the changes that automotive industry is going through or some of the things more related to the teams that are powering the organizations through industry evolution right now?

Greg White (36:00):

Yeah. I mean, there’s a couple things that vex me slightly, and that is that we’re not incentivizing finding new and less destructive sources. We’re incentivizing with some of the legislation that’s recently been passed, destroying our part of the world. Whereas, we used to be able to leave that destruction in these third [inaudible] – where my family is from, Argentina. But that’s the way most people look at it is who cares. It’s only Chile and Argentina. But now it’s about come home to Canada and Mexico and the U.S. because of this incentive of finding some of these materials and mining some of these materials in the North American area so that these cars can continue to be called American. So, I think we’re fighting that headwind, of course.

Greg White (36:54):

Also, to Leah’s point earlier, this is a dramatic shift of focus of scientists and researchers. But it’s also, I think – and, Leah, I’d love your thoughts on this – it’s a dramatic shift in the perspective and the role of procurement professionals. I don’t know how many procurement professionals are really equipped to go, “I don’t want you to incrementally innovate. I want you to disrupt and disintermediate other types of products,” because we have this viewpoint on the world, which is you’re destroying the planet in a new way instead of fossil fuels doing it. We’re physically destroying the planet. We need you to stop doing that and find some other way to do it. I just don’t know if anyone in any company has that kind of power, nor do I think that they have the training or expertise to be able to do that. It’s going to take a really, really joint effort between those researchers, procurement professionals, and probably C-suite executives to really make that necessary change happen. I see it as being very difficult, though, because we’re not really incentivizing that.

Scott Luton (38:06):

Leah, any thoughts to that?

Leah Knight (38:09):

No. That’s right, Greg. It drives that kind of collaboration you mentioned across procurement and research and product development and the board level. But, also, I might add in the suppliers themselves, you know, procurement and suppliers and these other stakeholders, need to find better ways to work together to collaborate on product design, for example. See if they can find more either different types of battery technology to avoid depleting what we have or other ways to manage costs and drive sustainability. You know, the OEMs need to be able to make sure that their suppliers and their supplier’s suppliers are also building sustainable businesses and sustainable supply.

Scott Luton (38:56):

And, Leah, to your point about folks up and down the supply chain getting together and trying to find new opportunities, sometimes it’s just a matter of asking if the specs can change. Which, I’ve done when I was supplying parts with a wonderfully talented team in metal stamping to automotive and other industries. Sometimes you get in an engineering meeting, you ask the question, and the specs can change a little bit. And then, that opens the door for new ways, new innovations, new product development, new suppliers, which can help, not only lower costs, but create more flexibility, maybe easier manufacturability, for what you’re trying to do. So, excellent point, Leah and Greg. Leah, I see you nodding your head. Anything else you want to add before we talk about what you and the team are doing over there?

Leah Knight (39:45):

I would just agree with you, Scott, that as manufacturers or OEMs work together with their external manufacturers, they can collaborate on design for manufacturability and designed for sustainability as well. So, there’s tremendous opportunity through collaboration.

Scott Luton (40:01):


Greg White (40:02):

So, a lot of these automakers have venture arms as well, where they’re actually funding the innovative or helping to fund the innovative companies that could come up with these solutions. I mean, it may be that procurement starts to say, “Hey, this is a direction we need to go. Can you guys go find some investments in this area and start to nurture some of those truly innovative companies?” I don’t know what the timeline viewpoint of automakers is these days. I can tell you it’s far longer than it was in the ’70s where they’ve made cars to intentionally break down so they could sell parts. But they’ve come a long way since that. I just don’t know if they’re looking far enough into the future to say, “Yeah. This is going to be a problem just like fossil fuels has been in another 10 or 20 years.”

Scott Luton (40:55):

All right. So, so much to go on. I’d love to dive deep in a number of these topics we’re tackling here on The Supply Chain Buzz, but, Leah, I bet you got a jam-packed schedule here on this Monday. Okay. A couple quick comments, and then we’re going to make sure we know what Leah and her team are doing at SAP. Let’s see here. Mark says, “Thousands of electric cars are hitting the roads when our electricity supply is already struggling.”

Greg White (41:23):

And coal fuel, if you’re in the UK, by the way. Their electricity supply is almost solely coal fueled.

Scott Luton (41:31):

Yeah. Karen and Stephen both are talking about where some of those new minds are located. Some of those locations might surprise you, so y’all check that out in the comments. Okay. So, Leah, bringing it back to what y’all are doing, the Direct Spend Solutions team at SAP, so in a nutshell tell us how are y’all helping organizations?

Leah Knight (41:56):

Yes. Thank you for asking, Scott. So, SAP is helping companies grapple with these problems by offering some product sourcing solutions. And the product sourcing solutions help procurement manage a full end-to-end procurement process for their products. So, starting with the design of the product, the launch of the product, and then going all the way through volume manufacturing and renegotiating prices of these huge multi-year contracts that are pretty typical in industries like automotive. And so, you know, in particular, these products help companies partner with their suppliers to work on co-innovation, like we’ve been discussing, and also managed materials that have pretty volatile, easily changeable costs. And the solutions are being adopted by large OEMs, but also new startup companies alike, anyone who needs to collaborate with suppliers on design processes or manage those volatile commodity costs.

Scott Luton (42:50):

Yeah. The real fun stuff in supply chain, Leah, is that right?

Leah Knight (42:54):

That’s right. That’s right.

Greg White (42:56):

It is. I mean, the challenge of this innovation or disruption, or whatever you want to call it, this intermediation, I mean, it is fun for some crazy people like me. But I think it’s this spirit of continually recognize learning from the ills of the past. I don’t think anyone intentionally tried to destroy the planet with fossil fuels. They were there. They were plentiful. They were relatively cheap at one time, and still, frankly, are relatively cheap. And they evolved it rather than completely altering it and changing to a different methodology. And we’re just doing the same thing. I think what we need is to recognize that we need a bit of a quantum leap here to a next level of understanding to prevent further destruction of the planet as we’re trying to eliminate destruction.

Scott Luton (43:52):

Yeah. Great point, Greg. And great T.V. show, Quantum Leap, Leah and Greg. And they brought it back.

Greg White (44:01):

You’re kidding me.

Scott Luton (44:02):

No. They brought it back. We’ll have to cover that in an upcoming edition.

Greg White (44:05):

How many seasons did it run the first time? Because I’m looking for a show and I don’t have one.

Scott Luton (44:08):

I don’t know, but Scott Bakula must have been in a thousand episodes. If y’all remember that show from the late ’80s and early ’90s.

Greg White (44:14):

I do not. I remembered that it existed. Was it —

Scott Luton (44:18):

Yeah. Maybe we need to ask their team how we can develop some of these new technologies we need to think travel time. I bet they can power cars in a safe and sustainable fashion. Okay. So, Leah, y’all have brought a resource, an SAP white paper entitled Mitigating Supplier Risk via Product Sourcing. Now, I think we’ve got a link that folks can access, and we’ll drop that in the comments. But why should folks check out this resource? How can they help them?

Leah Knight (44:50):

Oh, it’s a really a nice white paper from a third party researcher, IDC, and they share some market data about what procurement professionals are doing about this. And they focus on engineering oriented industries, like automotive, like industrial manufacturing, and provide a nice market view of what companies are doing today, what they expect to do in the future, and the types of solutions they can use to help them.

Scott Luton (45:17):

Outstanding. Greg, any thoughts? I’ll tell you, supplier risk, if the world has learned anything over the last few years, we’ve learned the immense value of true strategic risk mitigation or risk mitigation strategies, and just how important that is across industry. Your quick thoughts there, Greg, about this resource, about what Leah mentioned, or just supplier risk in general.

Greg White (45:46):

Yeah. I think that two lessons that we learned immediately upon all of the shutdowns, lockdowns early in the pandemic is, one, if you’re mean to your suppliers and you have an emergency, it’s too late to make friends. And, two, don’t be single threaded. Don’t forget about potential backup suppliers, which Rick McDonald talked about last week when we were talking with him. So, those are two things that I’m sure are in some way or fashion are in that document. But those are things that we need to be thinking about is maintaining the business relationship as productive and effective for both parties. And, of course, have a Plan B or C.

Scott Luton (46:35):

Or D, E, F, and G.

Greg White (46:37):

Yeah. Who knows, right? Well, Leah, you were talking earlier about commodity type products that are available widely. But the distribution or sourcing of them can be very disparate, so I think that that’s a great example of where you need to have a plan B, C, and D possibly.

Scott Luton (46:58):


Leah Knight (46:59):

Yeah. Exactly. It’s frustrating when a fairly inexpensive and non-strategic component can hold up production just because it’s in short supply suddenly.

Scott Luton (47:09):


Greg White (47:10):

How many parts does it take to build an F-150, Scott?

Scott Luton (47:15):

All of them. All of them. We got to find out who brought that to us. We’ve got lots of mileage out there.

Greg White (47:24):

Leah, a few weeks, maybe months ago, we were talking about the fact that Ford could not ship – talk about a common part – their F150s because they were out of the blue ovals that said Ford on them. That’s exactly [inaudible].

Scott Luton (47:42):

The epitome of what we’ve been going through [inaudible].

Greg White (47:47):

I mean, nothing enunciates that more clearly than that.

Scott Luton (47:48):


Leah Knight (47:49):

Yeah. And when you’re dealing with, literally, thousands of parts that make up an automobile or a truck, it can be easy without a programmatic approach, you know, to lose track of that.

Scott Luton (48:03):

Very true. All right. So, folks, we invite you – I think I shared this link – you can download that white paper that Karen – or that Leah – Karen, man, I’ve got to get some of her comments in.

Greg White (48:16):

And you were worried about calling her mom because her name’s the same as your mom. Now, you’re calling her Karen? You’re really wind on YouTube. [Inaudible] catches the word Karen, this will wind up on YouTube with a million views. [Inaudible] we did a good job.

Scott Luton (48:31):

That’s right. The good news here is you can access this white paper, this resource that Leah has brought to the table right here using this link there, and let us know what you think about it. Beyond that, Leah, how can folks connect with you and what your team is doing at SAP?

Leah Knight (48:52):

Oh, please connect with me on LinkedIn. I’m always looking for opportunities to connect with people.

Scott Luton (48:56):

Wonderful. And I’m sure they will enjoy meeting and getting to know you better and what you do and what you’re doing out in the industry as much as we have here. So, really appreciate you spending a portion of your Monday with us here on The Supply Chain Buzz. And, folks, we try to make it really easy. We have dropped the link to Leah’s LinkedIn right there in the chat, so y’all check that out. Okay.

Scott Luton (49:22):

Well, Leah Knight, we really appreciate your time here. You and part of the team at the Direct Spend Solutions portion of SAP. Thanks so much. Hope you have a wonderful week ahead.

Leah Knight (49:35):

Thank you for the opportunity, Scott. Thank you, Greg. And thanks everyone for joining.

Scott Luton (49:41):

All right. Man, really enjoyed chatting with Leah. So, Greg, we covered a lot of ground here today, both before Leah joined us and, of course, when she did join us. Man, really a wide ranging conversation. If you had to boil it down to one thing, maybe, that folks have got to take away from this conversation, if they forget everything else, what is that one thing, Greg?

Greg White (50:08):

Well, I’d like to point out that the only Karen we had on the show today was a very positive influence and brought some good knowledge. So, the sooner we can do away with that whole notion of Karen – I’m not sure why we picked that name because I love that name, personally – but anyway, the sooner we can do away with that, the better. The other is that, look, procurement is not just buying the stuff that’s out there, and I think we forget that a lot of times. It’s also shaping the market to provide, to your point, Scott, can the specs change, should the intent change, certainly, can we impact the outcomes of the company. And you certainly can do that with the kind of role and the kind of experience that Leah was talking about, that there’s so much that they can do to influence innovation and changes in the marketplace. I think the sooner we start to link supply chain and procurement with the corporate goals and give them both specific accountability and specific authority to help enforce those goals or help to reach those goals, the better.

Scott Luton (51:31):

Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. Folks, make sure you check out – connect with Leah first. What a pro out there doing big things. And check out that white paper, more resources, more perspectives, always good. Hey, Mick, appreciate that perspective and your feedback here. “Worthwhile program,” he says. Thank you. Let’s see here. Karen says, “I’ve got to repackage those as clean trucks and ship them back to the Ford –“

Greg White (51:59):

Generics. We could call them generics.

Scott Luton (52:00):

Right. Yeah. And let’s see here, I had a comment earlier. Stephen is also a Quantum Leap fan. He says, “Quantum Leap 2 just launched, but Scott Bakula isn’t in this new reboot.” That’s right. That is right. But, Stephen, thanks for joining us here today.

Scott Luton (52:20):

All right, folks, I want to make one more plea. Talk about a worthwhile effort that’s really helping a ton of people out there. Join us March 7th, 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time for Leveraging Logistics for Ukraine. I promise you, you won’t regret that you did. You don’t have to give anything. You don’t have to say anything. Just show up and connect the dots and maybe find a way that you can make a difference. The link for that is in the chat.

Scott Luton (52:46):

Okay. Greg, we got a big week of programming ahead. Always a pleasure to knock out these conversations with you. Thanks for joining us.

Greg White (52:54):


Scott Luton (52:55):

Big thanks again to Amanda and Katherine behind the scenes helping make production happen. Thanks for all the folks. Man, I couldn’t get to all the comments. Hey, James, looking forward to hearing about the Bern’s experience. I haven’t been there.

Greg White (53:09):

Yes. You’ll have to come into the comments and share that. So, we’ll get that settled up over the next couple hours.

Scott Luton (53:17):

Undoubtedly. Undoubtedly. And, hey, big thanks, of course, to Leah Knight and SAP for joining us on a very busy Monday for her and her team, I bet, and sharing some perspective and some resources. A lot of good stuff.

Scott Luton (53:30):

But, folks, whatever you do, you absorb all this information, all this perspective and expertise, and then you got to do something with it. Deeds not words. And on that, on this Monday afternoon Eastern Time, at least, our team’s challenging you to do good, to give forward, and to be the change that’s needed. And with that said, we’ll see you next time right back here at Supply Chain Now. Thanks everybody.

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Allison Krache Giddens has been with Win-Tech, a veteran-owned small business and aerospace precision machine shop, for 15 years, recently buying the company from her mentor and Win-Tech’s Founder, Dennis Winslow. She and her business partner, John Hudson now serve as Co-Presidents, leading the 33-year old company through the pandemic.

She holds undergraduate degrees in psychology and criminal justice from the University of Georgia, a Masters in Conflict Management from Kennesaw State University, a Masters in Manufacturing from Georgia Institute of Technology, and a Certificate of Finance from the University of Georgia. She also holds certificates in Google Analytics, event planning, and Cybersecurity Risk Management from Harvard online. Allison founded the Georgia Chapter of Women in Manufacturing and currently serves as Treasurer. She serves on the Chattahoochee Technical College Foundation Board as its Secretary, the liveSAFE Resources Board of Directors as Resource Development Co-Chair, and on the Leadership Cobb Alumni Association Board as Membership Chair and is also a member of Cobb Executive Women. She is on the Board for the Cobb Chamber of Commerce’s Northwest Area Councils. Allison runs The Dave Krache Foundation, a non-profit that helps pay sports fees for local kids in need.

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Billy Taylor


Billy Taylor is a Proven Business Excellence Practitioner and Leadership Guru with over 25 years leading operations for a Fortune 500 company, Goodyear. He is also the CEO of LinkedXL (Excellence), a Business Operating Systems Architecting Firm dedicated to implementing sustainable operating systems that drive sustainable results. Taylor’s achievements in the industry have made him a Next Generational Lean pacesetter with significant contributions.

An American business executive, Taylor has made a name for himself as an innovative and energetic industry professional with an indispensable passion for his craft of operational excellence. His journey started many years ago and has worked with renowned corporations such as The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. (GT) leading multi-site operations. With over 3 decades of service leading North America operations, he is experienced in a deeply rooted process driven approach in customer service, process integrity for sustainability.

A disciple of continuous improvement, Taylor’s love for people inspires commitment to helping others achieve their full potential. He is a dynamic speaker and hosts "The Winning Link," a popular podcast centered on business and leadership excellence with the #1 rated Supply Chain Now Network. As a leadership guru, Taylor has earned several invitations to universities, international conferences, global publications, and the U.S. Army to demonstrate how to achieve and sustain effective results through cultural acceptance and employee ownership. Leveraging the wisdom of his business acumen, strong influence as a speaker and podcaster Taylor is set to release "The Winning Link" book under McGraw Hill publishing in 2022. The book is a how-to manual to help readers understand the management of business interactions while teaching them how to Deine, Align, and Execute Winning in Business.

A servant leader, Taylor, was named by The National Diversity Council as one of the Top 100 Diversity Officers in the country in 2021. He features among Oklahoma's Most Admired CEOs and maintains key leadership roles with the Executive Advisory Board for The Shingo Institute "The Nobel Prize of Operations" and The Association of Manufacturing Excellence (AME); two world-leading organizations for operational excellence, business development, and cultural learning.  He is also an Independent Director for the M-D Building Products Board, a proud American manufacturer of quality products since 1920.

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Tandreia Bellamy


Tandreia Bellamy retired as the Vice President of Industrial Engineering for UPS Supply Chain Solutions which included the Global Logistics, Global Freight Forwarding and UPS Freight business units. She was responsible for operations strategy and planning, asset management, forecasting, and technology tool development to optimize sustainable efficiency while driving world class service.

Tandreia held similar positions at the business unit level for Global Logistics and Global Freight forwarding. As the leader of the Global Logistics engineering function, she directed all industrial engineering activies related to distribution, service parts logistics (post-sales support), and mail innovations (low cost, light weight shipping partnership with the USPS). Between these roles Tandreia helped to establish the Advanced Technology Group which was formed to research and develop cutting edge solutions focused on reducing reliance on manual labor.

Tandreia began her career in 1986 as a part-time hourly manual package handling employee. She spent the great majority of her career in the small package business unit which is responsible for the pick-up, sort, transport and delivery of packages domestically. She held various positions in Industrial Engineering, Marketing, Inside and On-road operations in Central Florida before transferring to Atlanta for a position in Corporate Product Development and Corporate Industrial Engineering. Tandreia later held IE leadership roles in Nebraska, Minnesota and Chicago. In her final role in small package she was an IE VP responsible for all aspects of IE, technology support and quality for the 25 states on the western half of the country.
Tandreia is currently a Director for the University of Central Florida (UCF) Foundation Board and also serves on their Dean’s Advisory Board for the College of Engineering and Computer Science. Previously Tandreia served on the Executive Advisory Board for Virginia Tech’s IE Department and the Association for Supply Chain Management. She served on the Board of Trustees for ChildServ (a Chicago child and family services non-profit) and also served on the Texas A&M and Tuskegee Engineering Advisory Boards. In 2006 she was named Business Advisor of the Year by INROADS, in 2009 she was recognized as a Technology All-Star at the Women of Color in STEM conference and in 2019 she honored as a UCF Distinguished Aluma by the Department of Industrial Engineering and Management Systems.

Tandreia holds a bachelor’s degree in Industrial Engineering from Stanford University and a master’s degree in Industrial Engineering and Management Systems from UCF. Her greatest accomplishment, however, is being the proud mother of two college students, Ruby (24) and Anthony (22).

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Marty Parker


Marty Parker serves as both the CEO & Founder of Adæpt Advising and an award-winning Senior Lecturer (Teaching Professor) in Supply Chain and Operations Management at the University of Georgia. He has 30 years of experience as a COO, CMO, CSO (Chief Strategy Officer), VP of Operations, VP of Marketing and Process Engineer. He founded and leads UGA’s Supply Chain Advisory Board, serves as the Academic Director of UGA’s Leaders Academy, and serves on multiple company advisory boards including the Trucking Profitability Strategies Conference, Zion Solutions Group and Carlton Creative Company.

Marty enjoys helping people and companies be successful. Through UGA, Marty is passionate about his students, helping them network and find internships and jobs. He does this through several hundred one-on-one zoom meetings each year with his students and former students. Through Adæpt Advising, Marty has organized an excellent team of affiliates that he works with to help companies grow and succeed. He does this by helping c-suite executives improve their skills, develop better leaders, engage their workforce, improve processes, and develop strategic plans with detailed action steps and financial targets. Marty believes that excellence in supply chain management comes from the understanding the intersection of leadership, culture, and technology, working across all parts of the organization to meet customer needs, maximize profit and minimize costs.

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Laura Lopez

Marketing Coordinator

Laura Lopez serves as our Supply Chain Now Marketing Coordinator. She graduated from Instituto Tecnológico y de Estudios Superiores de Occidente in Mexico with a degree in marketing. Laura loves everything digital because she sees the potential it holds for companies in the marketing industry. Her passion for creativity and thinking outside the box led her to pursue a career in marketing. With experience in fields like accounting, digital marketing, and restaurants, she clearly enjoys taking on challenges. Laura lives the best of both worlds - you'll either catch her hanging out with her friends soaking up the sun in Mexico or flying out to visit her family in California!

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Jake Barr


An acknowledged industry leader, Jake Barr now serves as CEO for BlueWorld Supply Chain Consulting, providing support to a cross section of Fortune 500 companies such as Cargill, Caterpillar, Colgate, Dow/Dupont, Firmenich, 3M, Merck, Bayer/Monsanto, Newell Brands, Kimberly Clark, Nestle, PepsiCo, Pfizer, Sanofi, Estee Lauder and Coty among others. He's also devoted time to engagements in public health sector work with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. At P&G, he managed the breakthrough delivery of an E2E (End to End) Planning Transformation effort, creating control towers which now manage the daily business globally. He is recognized as the architect for P&G’s demand driven supply chain strategy – referenced as a “Consumer Driven Supply Chain” transformation. Jake began his career with P&G in Finance in Risk Analysis and then moved into Operations. He has experience in building supply network capability globally through leadership assignments in Asia, Latin America, North America and the Middle East. He currently serves as a Research Associate for MIT; a member of Supply Chain Industry Advisory Council; Member of Gartner’s Supply Chain Think Tank; Consumer Goods “League of Leaders“; and a recipient of the 2015 - 2021 Supply Chain “Pro’s to Know” Award. He has been recognized as a University of Kentucky Fellow.

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Marcia Williams


Marcia Williams, Managing Partner of USM Supply Chain, has 18 years of experience in Supply Chain, with expertise in optimizing Supply Chain-Finance Planning (S&OP/ IBP) at Large Fast-Growing CPGs for greater profitability and improved cash flows. Marcia has helped mid-sized and large companies including Lindt Chocolates, Hershey, and Coty. She holds an MBA from Michigan State University and a degree in Accounting from Universidad de la Republica, Uruguay (South America). Marcia is also a Forbes Council Contributor based out of New York, and author of the book series Supply Chains with Maria in storytelling style. A recent speaker’s engagement is Marcia TEDx Talk: TEDxMSU - How Supply Chain Impacts You: A Transformational Journey.

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Luisa Garcia

Host, Logistics with Purpose

Luisa Garcia is a passionate Marketer from Lagos de Moreno based in Aguascalientes. She holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Marketing from Universidad Autonoma de Aguascalientes, Mexico. She specializes in brand development at any stage, believing that a brand is more than just a name or image—it’s an unforgettable experience. Her expertise helps brands achieve their dreams and aspirations, making a lasting impact. Currently working at Vector Global Logistics in the Marketing team and as podcast coordinator of Logistics With Purpose®. Luisa believes that purpose-driven decisions will impact results that make a difference in the world.

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Astrid Aubert

Host, Logistics with Purpose

Astrid Aubert was born in Guadalajara, she is 39 years old and has had the opportunity to live in many places. She studied communication and her professional career has been in Trade Marketing for global companies such as Pepsico and Mars. She currently works as Marketing Director Mexico for Vector Global Logistics. She is responsible for internal communications and marketing strategy development for the logistics industry. She is a mother of two girls, married and lives in Monterrey. She defines herself as a creative and innovative person, and enjoys traveling and cooking a lot.

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Constantine Limberakis


Constantine Limberakis is a thought leader in the area of procurement and supply management. He has over 20 years of international experience, playing strategic roles in a wide spectrum of organizations related to analyst advisory, consulting, product marketing, product development, and market research.Throughout his career, he's been passionate about engaging global business leaders and the broader analyst and technology community with strategic content, speaking engagements, podcasts, research, webinars, and industry articles.Constantine holds a BA in History from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and an MBA in Finance & Marketing / Masters in Public & International Affairs from the University of Pittsburgh.

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Scott W. Luton

Founder, CEO, & Host

As the founder and CEO of Supply Chain Now, you might say Scott is the voice of supply chain – but he’s too much of a team player to ever claim such a title. One thing’s for sure: he’s a tried and true supply chain expert. With over 15 years of experience in the end-to-end supply chain, Scott’s insights have appeared in major publications including The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, and CNN. He has also been named a top industry influencer by Thinkers360, ISCEA and more.

From 2009-2011, Scott was president of APICS Atlanta, and he continues to lead initiatives that support both the local business community and global industry. A United States Air Force Veteran, Scott has also regularly led efforts to give back to his fellow veteran community since his departure from active duty in 2002.

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Greg White

Principal & Host

When rapid-growth technology companies, venture capital and private equity firms are looking for advisory, they call Greg – a founder, board director, advisor and catalyst of disruptive B2B technology and supply chain. An insightful visionary, Greg guides founders, investors and leadership teams in creating breakthroughs to gain market exposure and momentum – increasing overall company esteem and valuation.

Greg is a founder himself, creating Blue Ridge Solutions, a Gartner Magic Quadrant Leader in cloud-native supply chain applications, and bringing to market Curo, a field service management solution. He has also held leadership roles with Servigistics (PTC) and E3 Corporation (JDA/Blue Yonder). As a principal and host at Supply Chain Now, Greg helps guide the company’s strategic direction, hosts industry leader discussions, community livestreams, and all in addition to executive producing and hosting his original YouTube channel and podcast, TEChquila Sunrise.

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Chris Barnes

Principal, Supply Chain Now
Host of Supply Chain is Boring

Talk about world-class: Chris is one of the few professionals in the world to hold CPIM-F, CLTD-F and CSCP-F designations from ASCM/APICS. He’s also the APICS coach – and our resident Supply Chain Doctor. When he’s not hosting programs with Supply Chain Now, he’s sharing supply chain knowledge on the APICS Coach Youtube channel or serving as a professional education instructor for the Georgia Tech Supply Chain & Logistic Institute’s Supply Chain Management (SCM) program and University of Tennessee-Chattanooga Center for Professional Education courses.

Chris earned a BS in Industrial Engineering from Bradley University, an MBA with emphasis in Industrial Psychology from the University of West Florida, and is a Doctoral in Supply Chain Management candidate.

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Tyler Ward

Director of Sales

Tyler Ward serves as Supply Chain Now's Director of Sales. Born and raised in Mid-Atlantic, Tyler is a proud graduate of Shippensburg University where he earned his degree in Communications. After college, he made his way to the beautiful state of Oregon, where he now lives with his wife and daughter.

With over a decade of experience in sales, Tyler has a proven track record of exceeding targets and leading high-performing teams. He credits his success to his ability to communicate effectively with customers and team members alike, as well as his strategic thinking and problem-solving skills.

When he's not closing deals, you can find Tyler on the links or cheering on his favorite football and basketball teams. He also enjoys spending time with his family, playing pick-up basketball, and traveling back to Ocean City, Maryland, his favorite place!

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Kevin L. Jackson

Host of Digital Transformers

Kevin L. Jackson is a globally recognized Thought Leader, Industry Influencer and Founder/Author of the award winning “Cloud Musings” blog.  He has also been recognized as a “Top 5G Influencer” (Onalytica 2019, Radar 2020), a “Top 50 Global Digital Transformation Thought Leader” (Thinkers 360 2019) and provides strategic consulting and integrated social media services to AT&T, Intel, Broadcom, Ericsson and other leading companies. Mr. Jackson’s commercial experience includes Vice President J.P. Morgan Chase, Worldwide Sales Executive for IBM and SAIC (Engility) Director Cloud Solutions. He has served on teams that have supported digital transformation projects for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the US Intelligence Community.  Kevin’s formal education includes a MS Computer Engineering from Naval Postgraduate School; MA National Security & Strategic Studies from Naval War College; and a BS Aerospace Engineering from the United States Naval Academy. Internationally recognizable firms that have sponsored articles authored by him include CiscoMicrosoft, Citrix and IBM.  Books include “Click to Transform” (Leaders Press, 2020), “Architecting Cloud Computing Solutions” (Packt, 2018), and “Practical Cloud Security: A Cross Industry View” (Taylor & Francis, 2016). He also delivers online training through Tulane UniversityO’Reilly MediaLinkedIn Learning, and Pluralsight.  Mr. Jackson retired from the U.S. Navy in 1994, earning specialties in Space Systems EngineeringCarrier Onboard Delivery Logistics and carrier-based Airborne Early Warning and Control. While active, he also served with the National Reconnaissance Office, Operational Support Office, providing tactical support to Navy and Marine Corps forces worldwide.

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Enrique Alvarez

Host of Logistics with Purpose and Supply Chain Now en Español

Enrique serves as Managing Director at Vector Global Logistics and believes we all have a personal responsibility to change the world. He is hard working, relationship minded and pro-active. Enrique trusts that the key to logistics is having a good and responsible team that truly partners with the clients and does whatever is necessary to see them succeed. He is a proud sponsor of Vector’s unique results-based work environment and before venturing into logistics he worked for the Boston Consulting Group (BCG). During his time at BCG, he worked in different industries such as Telecommunications, Energy, Industrial Goods, Building Materials, and Private Banking. His main focus was always on the operations, sales, and supply chain processes, with case focus on, logistics, growth strategy, and cost reduction. Prior to joining BCG, Enrique worked for Grupo Vitro, a Mexican glass manufacturer, for five years holding different positions from sales and logistics manager to supply chain project leader in charge of five warehouses in Colombia.

He has an MBA from The Wharton School of Business and a BS, in Mechanical Engineer from the Technologico de Monterrey in Mexico. Enrique’s passions are soccer and the ocean, and he also enjoys traveling, getting to know new people, and spending time with his wife and two kids, Emma and Enrique.

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Kelly Barner

Host of Dial P for Procurement

Kelly is the Owner and Managing Director of Buyers Meeting Point and MyPurchasingCenter. She has been in procurement since 2003, starting as a practitioner and then as the Associate Director of Consulting at Emptoris. She has covered procurement news, events, publications, solutions, trends, and relevant economics at Buyers Meeting Point since 2009. Kelly is also the General Manager at Art of Procurement and Business Survey Chair for the ISM-New York Report on Business. Kelly has her MBA from Babson College as well as an MS in Library and Information Science from Simmons College and she has co-authored three books: ‘Supply Market Intelligence for Procurement Professionals’, ‘Procurement at a Crossroads’, and ‘Finance Unleashed’.

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Mary Kate Soliva

Host, Veteran Voices

Mary Kate Soliva is a veteran of the US Army and cofounder of the Guam Human Rights Initiative. She is currently in the Doctor of Criminal Justice program at Saint Leo University. She is passionate about combating human trafficking and has spent the last decade conducting training for military personnel and the local community.

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Amanda Luton

Vice President, Production

Amanda is a production and marketing veteran and entrepreneur with over 20 years of experience across a variety of industries and organizations including Von Maur, Anthropologie, AmericasMart Atlanta, and Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta. Amanda currently manages, produces, and develops modern digital content for Supply Chain Now and their clients. Amanda has previously served as the VP of Information Systems and Webmaster on the Board of Directors for APICS Savannah, and founded and managed her own successful digital marketing firm, Magnolia Marketing Group. When she’s not leading the Supply Chain Now production team, you can find Amanda in the kitchen, reading, listening to podcasts, or enjoying time with family.

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Clay Phillips

Business Development Manager

Clay is passionate about two things: supply chain and the marketing that goes into it. Recently graduated with a degree in marketing at the University of Georgia, Clay got his start as a journalism major and inaugural member of the Owl’s football team at Kennesaw State University – but quickly saw tremendous opportunity in the Terry College of Business. He’s already putting his education to great use at Supply Chain Now, assisting with everything from sales and brand strategy to media production. Clay has contributed to initiatives such as our leap into video production, the guest blog series, and boosting social media presence, and after nearly two years in Supply Chain Now’s Marketing Department, Clay now heads up partnership and sales initiatives with the help of the rest of the Supply Chain Now sales team.

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Trisha Cordes

Administrative Assistant

Trisha is new to the supply chain industry – but not to podcasting. She’s an experienced podcast manager and virtual assistant who also happens to have 20 years of experience as an elementary school teacher. It’s safe to say, she’s passionate about helping people, and she lives out that passion every day with the Supply Chain Now team, contributing to scheduling and podcast production.

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Chantel King

Social Media Manager

My name is Chantel King and I am the Social Media Specialist at Supply Chain Now. My job is to make sure our audience is engaged and educated on the abundant amount of information the supply chain industry has to offer.

Social Media and Communications has been my niche ever since I graduated from college at The Academy of Art University in San Francisco. No, I am not a West Coast girl. I was born and raised in New Jersey, but my travel experience goes way beyond the garden state. My true passion is in creating editorial and graphic content that influences others to be great in whatever industry they are in. I’ve done this by working with lifestyle, financial, and editorial companies by providing resources to enhance their businesses.

Another passion of mine is trying new things. Whether it’s food, an activity, or a sport. I would like to say that I am an adventurous Taurus that never shies away from a new quest or challenge.

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Lori Sofian

Marketing Coordinator

Lori is currently completing a degree in marketing with an emphasis in digital marketing at the University of Georgia. When she’s not supporting the marketing efforts at Supply Chain Now, you can find her at music festivals – or working toward her dream goal of a fashion career. Lori is involved in many extracurricular activities and appreciates all the learning experiences UGA has brought her.

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Katherine Hintz

Director, Customer Experience

Katherine is a marketing professional and MBA candidate who strives to unite her love of people with a passion for positive experiences. Having a diverse background, which includes nonprofit work with digital marketing and start-ups, she serves as a leader who helps people live their most creative lives by cultivating community, order, collaboration, and respect. With equal parts creativity and analytics, she brings a unique skill set which fosters refining, problem solving, and connecting organizations with their true vision. In her free time, you can usually find her looking for her cup of coffee, playing with her puppy Charlie, and dreaming of her next road trip.

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Mary Kate Love

Chief of Staff & Host

Mary Kate Love is currently the VP of marketing at Supply Chain Now focused on brand strategy and audience + revenue growth. Mary Kate’s career is a testament to her versatility and innovative spirit: she has experience in start-ups, venture capital, and building innovation initiatives from the ground up: she previously helped lead the build-out of the Supply Chain Innovation Center at Georgia-Pacific and before that, MxD (Manufacturing times Digital): the Department of Defense’s digital manufacturing innovation center. Mary Kate has a passion for taking complicated ideas and turning them into reality: she was one of the first team members at MxD and the first team member at the Supply Chain Innovation Center at Georgia-Pacific.

Mary Kate dedicates her extra time to education and mentorship: she was one of the founding Board Members for Women Influence Chicago and led an initiative for a city-wide job shadow day for young women across Chicago tech companies and was previously on the Board of Directors at St. Laurence High School in Chicago, Young Irish Fellowship Board and the UN Committee for Women. Mary Kate is the founder of National Supply Chain Day and enjoys co-hosting podcasts at Supply Chain Now. Mary Kate is from the south side of Chicago, a mom of two baby boys, and an avid 16-inch softball player. She holds a BS in Political Science from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

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Joshua Miranda

Marketing Specialist

Joshua is a student from Institute of Technology and Higher Education of Monterrey Campus Guadalajara in Communication and Digital Media. His experience ranges from Plug and Play México, DearDoc, and Nissan México creating unique social media marketing campaigns and graphics design. Joshua helps to amplify the voice of supply chain here at Supply Chain Now by assisting in graphic design, content creation, asset logistics, and more.  In his free time he likes to read and write short stories as well as watch movies and television series.

Donna Krache

Director of Communications and Executive Producer

Donna Krache is a former CNN executive producer who has won several awards in journalism and communication, including three Peabodys.  She has 30 years’ experience in broadcast and digital journalism. She led the first production team at CNN to convert its show to a digital platform. She has authored many articles for CNN and other media outlets. She taught digital journalism at Georgia State University and Arizona State University. Krache holds a bachelor’s degree in government from the College of William and Mary and a master’s degree in curriculum and instruction from the University of New Orleans. She is a serious sports fan who loves the Braves. She is president of the Dave Krache Foundation. Named in honor of her late husband, this non-profit pays fees for kids who want to play sports but whose parents are facing economic challenges.

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