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Episode 33

The EPA’s unauthorized action will mean supply shortages and higher prices, fewer jobs, more injuries and more business for China.

- Andy Rose, CEO of Worthington Industries

Episode Summary

Corporate sustainability initiatives are critical to the health of our planet – but the distance between objectives and regulated execution on a detailed level can sometimes be very broad.

Case in point: Worthington Industries, the last U.S. based manufacturer of lightweight recyclable cylinders for transporting refrigerants. Because their cylinders are used to transport hydrofluorocarbons (or HFCs), they’re on a collision course with the EPA… cue the drama.

In this week’s Dial P audio podcast, Kelly Barner breaks down the good news, bad news, and surprising news in this supply chain related story:

– Why the precise difference in meaning and usage of words like disposable, non-refillable, recyclable, and refillable matter

– The complexities caused by the intertwined nature of government regulators and global supply chains

– The role of legislation and interpretation in enacting sustainability requirements

Episode Transcript

Intro/Outro (00:01):

Welcome to dial P for procurement, a show focused on today’s biggest spin supplier and contract management related business opportunities. Dial P investigates, the nuanced and constantly evolving boundary of the procurement supply chain divide with a broadcast of engaged executives, providers, and thought leaders give us an hour and we’ll provide you with a new perspective on supply chain value. And now it’s time to dial P for procurement

Kelly Barner (00:32):

Corporate sustainability initiatives are critical to the health of our planet, but the distance between objectives and regulated execution on a detailed level can sometimes be very broad. The news story I’m gonna cover today provides an ongoing example of the complexities associated with even the simplest mandated change. And it throws in a healthy dose of illegal dumping on the part of China, just for good measure. This is the story of Worthington industries. The last us based manufacturer of lightweight recyclable cylinders for transporting refrigerants. These cylinders are used to service stationary air conditioners service refrigeration units, and in some cases to service motor vehicle air conditioning, because their cylinders are used to transport hydrocarbons or HFCs Worthington now finds themselves on a collision course with the EPA. But before I go any further, let me introduce myself. I’m Kelly Barner. I’m the owner of buyer’s meeting point a partner at art of procurement.

Kelly Barner (01:47):

And I am your host for dial P here on supply chain. Now I’m constantly scanning the news for complex subjects that we can discuss. These are things that are interesting, but which may escape people’s notice. I think these are great opportunities to think, analyze and learn dial P releases, a new podcast episode or interview every Thursday. So be on the lookout for future episodes. And don’t forget to check out past episodes as well. Now, before I get back to today’s topic, I have a quick favor to ask, as we build out dial PS community and following I’d love to get a review, a share, some stars alike, your favorite emoji, whatever it is, I’ll take it. The net impact of that is bringing more voices and opinions and opportunities to learn into this audience. And I benefit from all of that as well. Most of all, I’m grateful for your interest and for your time.

Kelly Barner (02:53):

So thank you for returning every single week and listening to these new episodes. All right, let me pick up where I left off on June 28th, 2022 Worthington industry’s CEO, Andy rose wrote an opinion piece for the wall street journal titled the EPAs supply chain disruption, a ban on non refillable cylinders for air conditioning, coolant will cost American jobs and help China. I’m sure it comes as no surprise that I was hooked before I even got to the body of that article. At the same time, I approached this story with a healthy sense of skepticism. Like I do everything that I read. I always look for independent validation and I seek out both sides of the story. Worthington industries is an industrial metals manufacturer and they are used by 99% of companies based in the us for heating ventilation and refrigeration. Their production facilities are based in Ohio and Kentucky.

Kelly Barner (04:04):

And that Kentucky location used to be AMRO, which was the last us manufacturer. Other than Worthington. They were acquired by Worthington industries in 2017. For these cylinders, all of their competition is based in China now of great importance as we go forward in this story is the difference between a few key words. And you’re gonna hear variations of these as I pull information from different sources, disposable, refillable, and recyclable. So non refillable cylinders, meaning either disposable or recyclable, depending on your point of view, these are containers that cannot be refilled, but there is a notable difference between disposing and recycling. They weigh about 35 pounds when they’re full refillable cylinders weigh about 50 pounds. Worthington produces both types of cylinders and their lines are dedicated to either refillable or non refillable, which in their case means recyclable. And according to the CEO, their production lines are currently at full capacity.

Kelly Barner (05:27):

Now, if you think you had a tough 2020 let’s check out, what’s been going on at Worthington on March 27th, 2020 Worthington industries petitioned the us commerce department charging the China was dumping non refillable cylinders in the us market dumping, not a technical sounding term, but one that actually does have established meaning means another country or company is selling a product in a different market at less than fair market value. The goal is typically to drive out local companies that have higher costs of business because they’re actually not finding subsidies anywhere. And when the dumping occurs and lower priced comparable product comes into the market, usually what happens is the domestic producer is priced out of business. Then the dumpers get to take over all of that demand for themselves in the United States. The practice of dumping is illegal. According to the us tariff act of 1930 now in March Worthington, alleged dumping margins, as high as 61% saying that all of this incoming product was being subsidized by the Chinese government.

Kelly Barner (06:48):

Now, while they were waiting for the commerce department to do their research and make their ruling, Congress passed the American innovation and manufacturing act or the aim act, it was enacted on December 27th, 2020. And the goal of it was to reduce those HFCs being transported in different types of cylinders, whether you call it disposable, recyclable or refillable, the aim act gave the EPA the authority to phase down HFC production in the United States by about 85% over the next 15 years. And as with so many of these acts, despite the intended benefits, the aim act is expected to potentially cause significant transition costs, especially for businesses like supermarkets and data centers that use an awful lot of these refrigerants to keep their facilities and equipment. Cool. So now we have two things going on in parallel. One is the investigation into Chinese dumping of these steel cylinders.

Kelly Barner (08:01):

And the other one are the new regulations about the management of HFCs, kind of a good news, bad news situation. I like to be positive. So let’s start with the good news in April of 2021, the commerce department ruled in favor of Worthington quote, an industry in the United States is materially injured by reason of imports. That would be their fancy way of saying yes, dumping is happening. And it was interesting because Worthington had alleged margins in the sixties in terms of Chinese government, subsidization of these cylinders, the commerce department’s research turned out that those dumping margins were actually 80% and above. One of the interesting data points that went to proving the case of dumping is that Chinese imports of these cylinders had increased by 52.2% from 2017 to 2019. In the finding the companies associated with the dumping were forced to pay tariffs equal to the dumping margin, basically paying a fine that would’ve brought their costs to where they should be.

Kelly Barner (09:19):

So that’s the good news. This celebration was short lived because it was quickly followed by the bad news. Two weeks after the us commerce department ruled in Worthington’s favor, the EPA announced they were banning non refillable containers in the us starting July 1st, 2025. Now I’m guessing at Worthington, this came as a bit of a shock. The ban on disposable containers had not been mentioned in congressional debates, and it was not in the text of the law. So remember that we’re gonna come back to that later. The APA was claiming additional inherent authority to adapt these measures complimentary to the aim act. What they were saying is that based on their mandate to draw down these HFCs, every time a steel cylinder used to transport them has to be destroyed or recycled. There’s the question of what happens to the heel. That’s the little bit of HFC that’s left in the cylinder.

Kelly Barner (10:26):

And the question is about whether it would be released or disposed of properly before the cylinder was destroyed or before recycling took place. This was the rationale that they used to justify the additional measure of actually banning these non refillable containers. So from good news to bad news, according to Worthington, quote, the aim act provided the EPA with authority to phase down HFC production and use, but nothing in the act suggests that Congress gave the EPA authority to impose an outright ban on cylinders, simply because they contain HFCs end quote. So Worthington industries petitioned the EPA via the DC circuit of the us court of appeals in November of 2021, and then nothing in December of 2021, about a month after that petition was filed Worthington and a number of HVAC trade unions filed a lawsuit against the EPA. And that’s when California said, hold my beer.

Kelly Barner (11:39):

Okay. Not quite California’s response wasn’t to the EPAs ruling. This is something that’s been going on, but anytime we look at anything related to sustainability, environmental issues, you can bet the California’s going to be involved, setting their own standards. And in some cases leading the way for what happens in the rest of the country, the California air resources board currently limits the production of disposable or non refillable cylinders for every disposable cylinder sold four refillable ones have to be in circulation because the manufacturer of one refillable cylinder displaces the manufacturer of five disposable cylinders over the course of its 20 year life. So basically the California air rare air resources board looks at this as an offset and the EPA factored this into their decision because certainly their mandate is about drawing down HFCs, but they still have to make sure that there are enough refillable cylinders remaining in the country, or that can be produced to meet demand so that businesses are not interrupted.

Kelly Barner (12:51):

And if you need a review of why government action should not be allowed to suddenly or unduly affect how businesses operate, check out the story of baby formula, that’s all I’ll say on that. Now Worthington says there is not sufficient global capacity for refillable cylinders. So they’re saying by outlawing anything that can’t be refilled, you’re actually going to be left with a shortage of these containers for transporting HFCs. And of course, because we’re being fair. We’re also going to acknowledge that this ruling by the EPA and the California air resources board takes away some of their market share by requiring that us demand be filled with global supplies. Remember we said, Worthington, their production lines are already at full capacity. And so any competition means bringing in Chinese cylinders that meet the us standards instead of allowing Worthington to meet that demand. Now I read some of the analysis done by the California air resources board in advance of them releasing their guidance.

Kelly Barner (14:00):

Now remember the three words that we’re talking about, disposable, recyclable, refillable, the EPA and the state of California say disposable or non refillable Worthington says non refillable or recyclable, not quite the same thing. And everybody shares that word non refillable, but the difference between disposable and recyclable, both in practice and also in the court of public opinion is enormous. California looked at the lifecycle analysis of high global warming potential greenhouse gas destruction. Now they use the term scrapped disposable. That’s a little bit more charged because it absolutely strikes out the possibility that we’re talking about something being recyclable. And yet they still estimate the potential for metal reuse being between 15 and a hundred percent. They used a conservative estimate to assume that 75% of the non refillable cylinders would eventually be recycled. So it’s interesting if their ranges from 15 to a hundred and they settled on a conservative estimate of 75, not exactly in the middle.

Kelly Barner (15:13):

The other thing they looked at that I think will be of interest to people in supply chain is that they remembered to account for the total impact. They didn’t just look at the cylinders. They looked at the transport costs associated with recycling and refilling because in many cases, the recycling or refilling isn’t done at the location of use and they found quote distances to transport refillable cylinders from cylinder manufacturer to refrigerant manufacturer to distributor to technician are assumed to be the same as those of disposable cylinders. However, due to the increased size and weight of refillable versus disposable cylinders, over 30% more truck trips are assumed to be required to transport them. Now, remember refillable cylinders weigh about 50 pounds while the recyclable ones or disposable, depending on who you are weigh 35. If refillable cylinders were to replace the use of disposable ones, a greater number of reusable cylinders would need to be produced relative to those currently needed on an annual basis in order to avoid market disruptions and to account for cylinders that are in transit or use.

Kelly Barner (16:32):

Now, as I record this in mid-July Worthington’s lawsuit in cooperation with a bunch of those labor unions is making its way through the courts, but the world doesn’t stand still, as we’ve already seen, waiting for these different things to happen in parallel. And I think I would be remiss if I did not bring into this coverage mention of the recent Supreme court ruling West Virginia versus the EPA. This was related to the clean air act and the ability of the EPA to regulate carbon dioxide emissions. I’m not gonna go into all of the details here, but the key takeaway is the question about how much detail lawmakers have to spell out when they want an agency like the EPA to enforce something. How specific does Congress need to be? The EPA is supposed to be an execution arm of the government. Congress is supposed to make the rules that they execute against these cylinders that have now been banned by 2025 by the EPA are not explicitly mentioned in the am act.

Kelly Barner (17:38):

And they were not discussed in Congress prior to the Bill’s passage. The question, especially based on the ruling in West Virginia versus EPA, where the EPA was found to have inferred far more authority than they were literally given was whether the EPA has the right to ban these containers based on a clear mandate to simply draw down HFCs. Now, I certainly don’t know the answer to this question, but the storyline in both cases seems close enough. That makes it a reasonable question to ask. So what do we learn from this story? First of all, take it from me. Word choice matters. Non refillable does not mean straight disposable, but recyclable does not always mean they get recycled. And when you can look at word, use patterns in a complex situation like this and see trends start to emerge, that’s one really good way to figure out who’s in this corner.

Kelly Barner (18:39):

And who’s in that corner. It’s impossible to ignore the ongoing complexity created by the intertwined nature of business and government. This has come up in many episodes of I P so the us commerce department helped Worthington industries, or I should say more appropriately found in their favor in the case of the Chinese dumping. That’s what the facts supported, but the EPA took it upon themselves to ban a major product line for us based employer with hundreds employees, when they told Worthington, remember the last us based manufacturer of these non refillable cylinders that this product would in fact be banned, sustainability plays a huge role in this story. And again, there’s this question of what is the impact on how the world works and on existing businesses, the devil is always in the details. If it were as simple as saying, let’s just make the environment better.

Kelly Barner (19:39):

Everyone would be in agreement, but someone has to be tasked with a specific act. And that act always has a ripple effect. Some consequences of which are expected. And some that nobody sees coming. The example of the added road time and the additional truckloads required to transport these larger refillable tanks is a perfect example. Even the calculations associated with figuring out what’s best for the environment are not straightforward. And so what it comes to mean is that interpretation is everything who’s doing the calculations who’s making the decision of what’s better. Who’s looking at an act based on congressional ruling and making the decision of what rights are gonna be enforced based on that, maybe more importantly, who do we want doing that interpretation? The last point that I’ll make here is that after two years of supply chain disruptions, one of the words that we heard a lot in, which is now faded is reassuring.

Kelly Barner (20:42):

If you remember the early days of the pandemic where supply chains were disrupted and everything was shut down, everyone in their neighbor was going to reassure everything. Well, now reality is set in and just like sustainability initiatives and global dumping questions. Reassuring is no simpler, but we do know it sure as heck isn’t going to work. If the us doesn’t seem friendly to manufacturers. Now that doesn’t mean regulators have to look the other way. And it doesn’t imply that manufacturing is always a messy business. The answer is somewhere in the middle, but there’s no hope of supporting critical reassuring if everyone can’t work together or at the very least agree on their terminology. Now that’s my point of view on this story. And of course, I appreciate you listening to this episode of dial P for procurement, but as I always ask you, please don’t just listen, join the conversation and let me know what you think, share this episode with your network and bring their thought process and expertise into the conversation as well. If you have knowledge to share on this topic or any other reach out to me directly via LinkedIn, let’s work together to look at the hard questions and do the best we can to come up with workable solutions until next time. I’m Kelly Barner here with you on behalf of dial P for procurement and the whole team at supply chain. Now have a great rest of your day.

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Laura Lopez

Marketing Coordinator

Laura Lopez serves as our Supply Chain Now Marketing Coordinator. She graduated from Instituto Tecnológico y de Estudios Superiores de Occidente in Mexico with a degree in marketing. Laura loves everything digital because she sees the potential it holds for companies in the marketing industry. Her passion for creativity and thinking outside the box led her to pursue a career in marketing. With experience in fields like accounting, digital marketing, and restaurants, she clearly enjoys taking on challenges. Laura lives the best of both worlds - you'll either catch her hanging out with her friends soaking up the sun in Mexico or flying out to visit her family in California!

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Jake Barr


An acknowledged industry leader, Jake Barr now serves as CEO for BlueWorld Supply Chain Consulting, providing support to a cross section of Fortune 500 companies such as Cargill, Caterpillar, Colgate, Dow/Dupont, Firmenich, 3M, Merck, Bayer/Monsanto, Newell Brands, Kimberly Clark, Nestle, PepsiCo, Pfizer, Sanofi, Estee Lauder and Coty among others. He's also devoted time to engagements in public health sector work with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. At P&G, he managed the breakthrough delivery of an E2E (End to End) Planning Transformation effort, creating control towers which now manage the daily business globally. He is recognized as the architect for P&G’s demand driven supply chain strategy – referenced as a “Consumer Driven Supply Chain” transformation. Jake began his career with P&G in Finance in Risk Analysis and then moved into Operations. He has experience in building supply network capability globally through leadership assignments in Asia, Latin America, North America and the Middle East. He currently serves as a Research Associate for MIT; a member of Supply Chain Industry Advisory Council; Member of Gartner’s Supply Chain Think Tank; Consumer Goods “League of Leaders“; and a recipient of the 2015 - 2021 Supply Chain “Pro’s to Know” Award. He has been recognized as a University of Kentucky Fellow.

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Marcia Williams


Marcia Williams, Managing Partner of USM Supply Chain, has 18 years of experience in Supply Chain, with expertise in optimizing Supply Chain-Finance Planning (S&OP/ IBP) at Large Fast-Growing CPGs for greater profitability and improved cash flows. Marcia has helped mid-sized and large companies including Lindt Chocolates, Hershey, and Coty. She holds an MBA from Michigan State University and a degree in Accounting from Universidad de la Republica, Uruguay (South America). Marcia is also a Forbes Council Contributor based out of New York, and author of the book series Supply Chains with Maria in storytelling style. A recent speaker’s engagement is Marcia TEDx Talk: TEDxMSU - How Supply Chain Impacts You: A Transformational Journey.

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Luisa Garcia

Host, Logistics with Purpose

Luisa Garcia is a passionate Marketer from Lagos de Moreno based in Aguascalientes. She holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Marketing from Universidad Autonoma de Aguascalientes, Mexico. She specializes in brand development at any stage, believing that a brand is more than just a name or image—it’s an unforgettable experience. Her expertise helps brands achieve their dreams and aspirations, making a lasting impact. Currently working at Vector Global Logistics in the Marketing team and as podcast coordinator of Logistics With Purpose®. Luisa believes that purpose-driven decisions will impact results that make a difference in the world.

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Astrid Aubert

Host, Logistics with Purpose

Astrid Aubert was born in Guadalajara, she is 39 years old and has had the opportunity to live in many places. She studied communication and her professional career has been in Trade Marketing for global companies such as Pepsico and Mars. She currently works as Marketing Director Mexico for Vector Global Logistics. She is responsible for internal communications and marketing strategy development for the logistics industry. She is a mother of two girls, married and lives in Monterrey. She defines herself as a creative and innovative person, and enjoys traveling and cooking a lot.

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Constantine Limberakis


Constantine Limberakis is a thought leader in the area of procurement and supply management. He has over 20 years of international experience, playing strategic roles in a wide spectrum of organizations related to analyst advisory, consulting, product marketing, product development, and market research.Throughout his career, he's been passionate about engaging global business leaders and the broader analyst and technology community with strategic content, speaking engagements, podcasts, research, webinars, and industry articles.Constantine holds a BA in History from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and an MBA in Finance & Marketing / Masters in Public & International Affairs from the University of Pittsburgh.

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Scott W. Luton

Founder, CEO, & Host

As the founder and CEO of Supply Chain Now, you might say Scott is the voice of supply chain – but he’s too much of a team player to ever claim such a title. One thing’s for sure: he’s a tried and true supply chain expert. With over 15 years of experience in the end-to-end supply chain, Scott’s insights have appeared in major publications including The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, and CNN. He has also been named a top industry influencer by Thinkers360, ISCEA and more.

From 2009-2011, Scott was president of APICS Atlanta, and he continues to lead initiatives that support both the local business community and global industry. A United States Air Force Veteran, Scott has also regularly led efforts to give back to his fellow veteran community since his departure from active duty in 2002.

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Greg White

Principal & Host

When rapid-growth technology companies, venture capital and private equity firms are looking for advisory, they call Greg – a founder, board director, advisor and catalyst of disruptive B2B technology and supply chain. An insightful visionary, Greg guides founders, investors and leadership teams in creating breakthroughs to gain market exposure and momentum – increasing overall company esteem and valuation.

Greg is a founder himself, creating Blue Ridge Solutions, a Gartner Magic Quadrant Leader in cloud-native supply chain applications, and bringing to market Curo, a field service management solution. He has also held leadership roles with Servigistics (PTC) and E3 Corporation (JDA/Blue Yonder). As a principal and host at Supply Chain Now, Greg helps guide the company’s strategic direction, hosts industry leader discussions, community livestreams, and all in addition to executive producing and hosting his original YouTube channel and podcast, TEChquila Sunrise.

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Chris Barnes

Principal, Supply Chain Now
Host of Supply Chain is Boring

Talk about world-class: Chris is one of the few professionals in the world to hold CPIM-F, CLTD-F and CSCP-F designations from ASCM/APICS. He’s also the APICS coach – and our resident Supply Chain Doctor. When he’s not hosting programs with Supply Chain Now, he’s sharing supply chain knowledge on the APICS Coach Youtube channel or serving as a professional education instructor for the Georgia Tech Supply Chain & Logistic Institute’s Supply Chain Management (SCM) program and University of Tennessee-Chattanooga Center for Professional Education courses.

Chris earned a BS in Industrial Engineering from Bradley University, an MBA with emphasis in Industrial Psychology from the University of West Florida, and is a Doctoral in Supply Chain Management candidate.

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Tyler Ward

Director of Sales

Tyler Ward serves as Supply Chain Now's Director of Sales. Born and raised in Mid-Atlantic, Tyler is a proud graduate of Shippensburg University where he earned his degree in Communications. After college, he made his way to the beautiful state of Oregon, where he now lives with his wife and daughter.

With over a decade of experience in sales, Tyler has a proven track record of exceeding targets and leading high-performing teams. He credits his success to his ability to communicate effectively with customers and team members alike, as well as his strategic thinking and problem-solving skills.

When he's not closing deals, you can find Tyler on the links or cheering on his favorite football and basketball teams. He also enjoys spending time with his family, playing pick-up basketball, and traveling back to Ocean City, Maryland, his favorite place!

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Kevin L. Jackson

Host of Digital Transformers

Kevin L. Jackson is a globally recognized Thought Leader, Industry Influencer and Founder/Author of the award winning “Cloud Musings” blog.  He has also been recognized as a “Top 5G Influencer” (Onalytica 2019, Radar 2020), a “Top 50 Global Digital Transformation Thought Leader” (Thinkers 360 2019) and provides strategic consulting and integrated social media services to AT&T, Intel, Broadcom, Ericsson and other leading companies. Mr. Jackson’s commercial experience includes Vice President J.P. Morgan Chase, Worldwide Sales Executive for IBM and SAIC (Engility) Director Cloud Solutions. He has served on teams that have supported digital transformation projects for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the US Intelligence Community.  Kevin’s formal education includes a MS Computer Engineering from Naval Postgraduate School; MA National Security & Strategic Studies from Naval War College; and a BS Aerospace Engineering from the United States Naval Academy. Internationally recognizable firms that have sponsored articles authored by him include CiscoMicrosoft, Citrix and IBM.  Books include “Click to Transform” (Leaders Press, 2020), “Architecting Cloud Computing Solutions” (Packt, 2018), and “Practical Cloud Security: A Cross Industry View” (Taylor & Francis, 2016). He also delivers online training through Tulane UniversityO’Reilly MediaLinkedIn Learning, and Pluralsight.  Mr. Jackson retired from the U.S. Navy in 1994, earning specialties in Space Systems EngineeringCarrier Onboard Delivery Logistics and carrier-based Airborne Early Warning and Control. While active, he also served with the National Reconnaissance Office, Operational Support Office, providing tactical support to Navy and Marine Corps forces worldwide.

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Enrique Alvarez

Host of Logistics with Purpose and Supply Chain Now en Español

Enrique serves as Managing Director at Vector Global Logistics and believes we all have a personal responsibility to change the world. He is hard working, relationship minded and pro-active. Enrique trusts that the key to logistics is having a good and responsible team that truly partners with the clients and does whatever is necessary to see them succeed. He is a proud sponsor of Vector’s unique results-based work environment and before venturing into logistics he worked for the Boston Consulting Group (BCG). During his time at BCG, he worked in different industries such as Telecommunications, Energy, Industrial Goods, Building Materials, and Private Banking. His main focus was always on the operations, sales, and supply chain processes, with case focus on, logistics, growth strategy, and cost reduction. Prior to joining BCG, Enrique worked for Grupo Vitro, a Mexican glass manufacturer, for five years holding different positions from sales and logistics manager to supply chain project leader in charge of five warehouses in Colombia.

He has an MBA from The Wharton School of Business and a BS, in Mechanical Engineer from the Technologico de Monterrey in Mexico. Enrique’s passions are soccer and the ocean, and he also enjoys traveling, getting to know new people, and spending time with his wife and two kids, Emma and Enrique.

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Kelly Barner

Host of Dial P for Procurement

Kelly is the Owner and Managing Director of Buyers Meeting Point and MyPurchasingCenter. She has been in procurement since 2003, starting as a practitioner and then as the Associate Director of Consulting at Emptoris. She has covered procurement news, events, publications, solutions, trends, and relevant economics at Buyers Meeting Point since 2009. Kelly is also the General Manager at Art of Procurement and Business Survey Chair for the ISM-New York Report on Business. Kelly has her MBA from Babson College as well as an MS in Library and Information Science from Simmons College and she has co-authored three books: ‘Supply Market Intelligence for Procurement Professionals’, ‘Procurement at a Crossroads’, and ‘Finance Unleashed’.

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Mary Kate Soliva

Host, Veteran Voices

Mary Kate Soliva is a veteran of the US Army and cofounder of the Guam Human Rights Initiative. She is currently in the Doctor of Criminal Justice program at Saint Leo University. She is passionate about combating human trafficking and has spent the last decade conducting training for military personnel and the local community.

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Amanda Luton

Vice President, Production

Amanda is a production and marketing veteran and entrepreneur with over 20 years of experience across a variety of industries and organizations including Von Maur, Anthropologie, AmericasMart Atlanta, and Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta. Amanda currently manages, produces, and develops modern digital content for Supply Chain Now and their clients. Amanda has previously served as the VP of Information Systems and Webmaster on the Board of Directors for APICS Savannah, and founded and managed her own successful digital marketing firm, Magnolia Marketing Group. When she’s not leading the Supply Chain Now production team, you can find Amanda in the kitchen, reading, listening to podcasts, or enjoying time with family.

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Clay Phillips

Business Development Manager

Clay is passionate about two things: supply chain and the marketing that goes into it. Recently graduated with a degree in marketing at the University of Georgia, Clay got his start as a journalism major and inaugural member of the Owl’s football team at Kennesaw State University – but quickly saw tremendous opportunity in the Terry College of Business. He’s already putting his education to great use at Supply Chain Now, assisting with everything from sales and brand strategy to media production. Clay has contributed to initiatives such as our leap into video production, the guest blog series, and boosting social media presence, and after nearly two years in Supply Chain Now’s Marketing Department, Clay now heads up partnership and sales initiatives with the help of the rest of the Supply Chain Now sales team.

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Trisha Cordes

Administrative Assistant

Trisha is new to the supply chain industry – but not to podcasting. She’s an experienced podcast manager and virtual assistant who also happens to have 20 years of experience as an elementary school teacher. It’s safe to say, she’s passionate about helping people, and she lives out that passion every day with the Supply Chain Now team, contributing to scheduling and podcast production.

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Chantel King

Social Media Manager

My name is Chantel King and I am the Social Media Specialist at Supply Chain Now. My job is to make sure our audience is engaged and educated on the abundant amount of information the supply chain industry has to offer.

Social Media and Communications has been my niche ever since I graduated from college at The Academy of Art University in San Francisco. No, I am not a West Coast girl. I was born and raised in New Jersey, but my travel experience goes way beyond the garden state. My true passion is in creating editorial and graphic content that influences others to be great in whatever industry they are in. I’ve done this by working with lifestyle, financial, and editorial companies by providing resources to enhance their businesses.

Another passion of mine is trying new things. Whether it’s food, an activity, or a sport. I would like to say that I am an adventurous Taurus that never shies away from a new quest or challenge.

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Lori Sofian

Marketing Coordinator

Lori is currently completing a degree in marketing with an emphasis in digital marketing at the University of Georgia. When she’s not supporting the marketing efforts at Supply Chain Now, you can find her at music festivals – or working toward her dream goal of a fashion career. Lori is involved in many extracurricular activities and appreciates all the learning experiences UGA has brought her.

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Katherine Hintz

Director, Customer Experience

Katherine is a marketing professional and MBA candidate who strives to unite her love of people with a passion for positive experiences. Having a diverse background, which includes nonprofit work with digital marketing and start-ups, she serves as a leader who helps people live their most creative lives by cultivating community, order, collaboration, and respect. With equal parts creativity and analytics, she brings a unique skill set which fosters refining, problem solving, and connecting organizations with their true vision. In her free time, you can usually find her looking for her cup of coffee, playing with her puppy Charlie, and dreaming of her next road trip.

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Mary Kate Love

Chief of Staff & Host

Mary Kate Love is currently the VP of marketing at Supply Chain Now focused on brand strategy and audience + revenue growth. Mary Kate’s career is a testament to her versatility and innovative spirit: she has experience in start-ups, venture capital, and building innovation initiatives from the ground up: she previously helped lead the build-out of the Supply Chain Innovation Center at Georgia-Pacific and before that, MxD (Manufacturing times Digital): the Department of Defense’s digital manufacturing innovation center. Mary Kate has a passion for taking complicated ideas and turning them into reality: she was one of the first team members at MxD and the first team member at the Supply Chain Innovation Center at Georgia-Pacific.

Mary Kate dedicates her extra time to education and mentorship: she was one of the founding Board Members for Women Influence Chicago and led an initiative for a city-wide job shadow day for young women across Chicago tech companies and was previously on the Board of Directors at St. Laurence High School in Chicago, Young Irish Fellowship Board and the UN Committee for Women. Mary Kate is the founder of National Supply Chain Day and enjoys co-hosting podcasts at Supply Chain Now. Mary Kate is from the south side of Chicago, a mom of two baby boys, and an avid 16-inch softball player. She holds a BS in Political Science from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

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Joshua Miranda

Marketing Specialist

Joshua is a student from Institute of Technology and Higher Education of Monterrey Campus Guadalajara in Communication and Digital Media. His experience ranges from Plug and Play México, DearDoc, and Nissan México creating unique social media marketing campaigns and graphics design. Joshua helps to amplify the voice of supply chain here at Supply Chain Now by assisting in graphic design, content creation, asset logistics, and more.  In his free time he likes to read and write short stories as well as watch movies and television series.

Donna Krache

Director of Communications and Executive Producer

Donna Krache is a former CNN executive producer who has won several awards in journalism and communication, including three Peabodys.  She has 30 years’ experience in broadcast and digital journalism. She led the first production team at CNN to convert its show to a digital platform. She has authored many articles for CNN and other media outlets. She taught digital journalism at Georgia State University and Arizona State University. Krache holds a bachelor’s degree in government from the College of William and Mary and a master’s degree in curriculum and instruction from the University of New Orleans. She is a serious sports fan who loves the Braves. She is president of the Dave Krache Foundation. Named in honor of her late husband, this non-profit pays fees for kids who want to play sports but whose parents are facing economic challenges.

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