Dial P for Procurement
Episode 26

We also want to be absolutely clear that purpose isn’t a substitute for having fantastic quality, innovation, advertising, and distribution.

- Alan Jope, Unilever CEO

Episode Summary

ESG – or environmental, social, and governance – programs are high visibility opportunities for companies to grab headlines, earn goodwill and brand loyalty from consumers, and hopefully make the world a better place. But if not pursued strategically, they can also be a company’s downfall.

In this week’s Dial P audio podcast, Kelly Barner shares the lessons learned from companies who have chosen to put social mission before business fundamentals:

  • Consumer brands that are required to have a social or environmental mission or risk divestment from the company
  • Why inclusive sizing sounds nice but comes with costs that can’t easily be passed along to consumers
  • Social missions that were wildly successful in their ability to improve brand reputation without distracting the team from their operational marks

Episode Transcript

Intro/Outro (00:01):

Welcome to dial P for procurement, a show focused on today’s biggest spin supplier and contract management related business opportunities. Dial P investigates, the nuanced and constantly evolving boundary of the procurement supply chain divide with a broadcast of engaged executives, providers, and thought leaders give us an hour and we’ll provide you with a new perspective on supply chain value. And now it’s time to dial P for procurement.

Kelly Barner (00:31):

Hi there. This is Kelly Barner. Can I ask you a quick question? When you go to the grocery store, what drives your product purchase decisions? Is it simply your preference of product? Is it the cost? And that’s something we’re all concerned about with inflation, right? Maybe you have some sort of nutritional or dietary requirement that steers your choice. It’s probably not in most cases, a social mission, but maybe I’m wrong. Unilever, a $56 billion consumer brands company based in the UK is trying to take a mission led approach to increasing their market. Share every single one, all 400 of the company’s brands has to have a social or environmental mission. Now I’m gonna give you a couple of three letter acronyms TLAs. We like to call them in procurement, ESG and CSR. So ESG is environmental, social and governance initiatives think sustainability is supplier diversity. CSR is corporate social responsibility. That’s sort of the older way of putting it. That’s been phased out as ESG has become more popular.

Kelly Barner (01:53):

Now, what will be interesting to see as much as corporations and in some cases, shareholders or investors are interested in seeing measurable advances in these ESG initiatives. To what extent will consumers connect with them? As I said at the start of the podcast, my name’s Kelly Barner, I’m the owner of buyer’s meeting point and a partner at art of procurement. I’m also your host for dial P here on supply chain. Now, now for entertainment, some people binge watch Yellowstone or learn dances so they can try to become to stars me. I watch business. It’s the best sport we have. And when we dig into these stories, the facts are always more interesting than the hype. And not only that they have more to teach us. Now, before I get back to this week’s topic, I have a quick favor to ask. We’re building out dial P’s independent social media following.

Kelly Barner (02:55):

So I would love to get a review from you, maybe a few stars, a thumbs up alike, maybe share this podcast with someone that you know, that you think would enjoy listening. We’re grateful for your interest and your attention. So thank you for giving us your time and listening in all right now, where were we? I recently read two adjacent stories in the wall street journal that made me stop and think the first one was, does your Mayo need a mission statement? And it was published on May 20th. As I teased earlier, this is based on a mandate from Unilever’s CEO, Alan Jo, who has ordered each of the company’s brands to come up with a social or environmental mission to be tied into their branding and marketing. Now, the stakes are high. The brands have been told that if they can’t find a good fit mission, they may be divested.

Kelly Barner (03:55):

Now this has become an existential operational challenge for these brands. So here are a few examples of the ones that we know have already come to market. Ax is a deodorant body spray. Now their traditional marketing approaches tended to focus on masculinity and partying, and they moved from that to an ad campaign that supported guys who were anxious, skinny and depressed in an effort to be more affirming and inclusive. It did not work. It seems like it was too big of a pivot and it positioned the product next to negative associations, even if it was trying to be inclusive of some of these very real challenges, acts fairly quickly changed paths and went back to their traditional approach. Now, the feature of this story, the question about your mayonnaise, needing a social mission, Hellman’s mayonnaise has chosen the fight against food waste as their social mission.

Kelly Barner (04:59):

They even had a super bowl commercial that featured former NFL player and coach Jared Mayo, get it Mayo as well as Pete Davidson from Saturday night live, they paid $6.5 million for a 62nd spot focused almost entirely around tackling people so that they would not waste food. Mayonnaise. Didn’t really appear in the commercial. The creative agency, Wonderman Thompson that worked on the campaign with them actually has a feature about it on their website. And they say no one wants to be scolded or guilted into changing their behaviors. So Hellmans needed to reframe the no food waste purpose into an inspiring message that got Americans to act. We leaned into the emotional uplift undercurrent that we were observing in culture to reframe the conversation from being a food waster to a food saver with helmets. Now, if you haven’t seen the commercial super bowl, ads are easy to find on YouTube.

Kelly Barner (06:03):

It’s absolutely hysterical and well worth 60 seconds, especially knowing it costs $6.5 million. It’s hysterical and entertaining, and we get the point about not wasting food, but what is this commercial for mayonnaise doesn’t really make much of an appearance. Now, another food based example comes from the brand. No, they make shelf stable mixes and sauces. Their social mission is encouraging customers to incorporate plant based foods in their diet. They have partnered with Sedexo and world wildlife fund to conduct research talking about the impact that these sorts of changes could lead to. If consumers embrace them at scale, they use that report to certainly generate press and they’re encouraging consumers to include more sweet potatoes, spinach, seaweed, and cacti in their diet. Now, with this example, just like with Hellman’s mayonnaise, I’m not entirely sure how me attempting to trick my family into eating seaweed is going to sell more of no’s product.

Kelly Barner (07:12):

Personally. I love mayonnaise, especially in a really nice chicken salad, but I’m not sure a peripheral ad campaign is ultimately going to drive my brand choice. When we think about how competitive this market is, does the risk of these companies losing the plot, outweigh the impact they can have in terms of their social mission? I think this is a very challenging question that certainly the brands at Unilever are facing right now, especially we, as we go into an economic downturn, but that many consumers and other companies will be faced with as well. What is ultimately driving the decisions that cause you to spend CPG margins typically run between 20 and 35% depending on the product category. So those margins aren’t retail thin, but they’re not huge. The competition is intense and consumers are brand fickle. It’s very easy to switch brands and it’s even easier and potentially more advantageous to do it in cost conscious times like we’re in today.

Kelly Barner (08:27):

In addition to the competition between these products, private label think store brand, these products are more popular than ever. They are better marketed all the time and they are both lower cost. That’s an advantage to the consumer and higher margin. There’s an advantage to the retailer. Now it’s not to say that this approach can’t work. Alan Jo, I think rightly holds up dove as a positive example of how socially mission driven brand can work. They had a wildly successful ad campaign that visually embraced all women body types and shapes and associated the dove skincare line with that Peter dart who’s the lead at Dove’s ad firm talked about how dove organically and smartly developed this purpose. So listen organically and smartly, not forced, not mandated, certainly not under threat of divestiture. It was a natural messaging that worked well with the product and a good fit for the consumer.

Kelly Barner (09:40):

Maybe most importantly, it didn’t have an operational cost impact. It was simply the way that they chose to market the product. They didn’t actually have to change the way they functioned as a company in order to remain aligned with it. So that’s one way that companies are trying to elevate the role of social activism. But I told you, this idea occurred to me when I heard two different articles, right near each other. Let’s consider the other article for a very different example. One that I actually think ties to the same idea at the heart of the success experienced by dove also in the wall street journal on May 20th was an article titled old Navy made clothing sizes for everyone. It backfired so old Navy, which is owned by gap, wanted to be more inclusive of women’s body types and sizes. So there’s your mission driven connection to the same sort of attitude and approach that dove took in August of 2021, they rolled out women’s clothing sizes from zero to 30 in the numbered range.

Kelly Barner (10:53):

They corresponded to extra small, up to four X. They also brought in mannequins to represent the diversity of body types. They were selling clothes for the company, heralded this as one of the most important changes in retail clothing. One that they anticipated would change their industry well into the future. But since I’ve already read you the title of the article, you know, spoiler alert too late, it was a complete failure. Now here’s a quote from the article that I think gets to the heart of this tension between the good that companies are trying to do. And the challenges that it creates shoppers said old Navy’s message of inclusivity resonated with them, but it is sometimes outweighed by the frustration of not being able to find their size end quote. So here’s the reality. You can’t support a brand. You agree with if they don’t have what you want to buy in stock, even though old Navy had done research, they didn’t get the allocation of sizes quite right.

Kelly Barner (11:59):

And they very quickly sold out of the middle range of sizes. The sizes that they were traditionally known for selling, it was such a disruptive failure that it led to a management shake up at the company. Now I made the point earlier that Dove’s campaign did not add to their operating costs. The same cannot be said of old Navy’s inclusive sizing. It did add manufacturing costs. I’ve already mentioned that they had to invest in order to do that research into the distribution of sizes, but they also researched women’s body image trends to make sure that they understand the psyche they were trying to plug into with this change in product offering. But even beyond that, the company had to redesign some of their clothing to adjust the placement of pockets, seams, darts, et cetera, all of those details that have to be placed, right for women’s clothing to fit and look right across such a wide range of sizes.

Kelly Barner (13:04):

Now, the other perhaps uncomfortable reality of this challenge is that the much larger clothing simply required more cloth. And that added to the cost now companies that are trying to foster body positivity. And of course, we do want to be inclusive. They may not wanna talk about that, but it is a manufacturing reality that more thread, more cloth, more time on the machines when you’re running a very efficient lean business, any difference is going to affect the production line. And it also created some challenges in store. So one of the major concerns was how they were gonna distribute this additional cost. Were they going to have the larger sizes cost more, which is what retailers typically do. It’s one of the reasons that you’ll see a plus size department separate from whatever the conventional range of sizes department is called, maybe misses in some stores, they physically keep them separate both for the convenience of shoppers and also so that you don’t necessarily see different price tags for the same item in different sizes side by side.

Kelly Barner (14:17):

Now that was one of the things that old Navy changed. Not only did they expand their range of sizes and redesign some of the product they did away with their plus size section and brought all of the clothing together into one section. So it potentially created a negative PR problem. If they charged different prices for the different sizes of garments, did it look like they were penalizing their larger customers? Now, when you have these clothes hanging side by side, your consumer is either faced with paying a higher price for the same size garment they always bought or customers at the larger end of the range, being bothered by the fact that they’re being charged to X percent more for the same garment, both Unilever and old Navy are trying to do good, but here’s where you can never get beyond the business fundamentals. So let’s take a look at some of their financial results in Unilever’s case, their share price and sales growth have lagged behind competitors like Nestle L’Oreal and Proctor and gamble.

Kelly Barner (15:27):

Old Navy, as I mentioned, which is owned by gap is the most profitable, the highest sales of all of their clothing divisions. So gap and banana Republic are dependent upon old Navy sales numbers to meet their own. Unfortunately, when they announced their Q1 2022 results on May 26th, old Navy’s sales had flagged substantially and these execution challenges took down the CEO. In addition to that old Navy’s poor performance dragged down the whole company. But as we know, none of this happens in a vacuum. All of this is happening also against the backdrop of inflation, where consumers are making the decision simply to purchase less. Now, there are multiple sources of risk that can come from a social mission, led approach to brand development. One certainly is it distracts you from operational fundamentals and we’ve already talked about that, but there are two others that I think we should consider.

Kelly Barner (16:31):

One is the difference between consumer perception and consumer action. And the other is simply the economic challenge. So let’s talk about consumer perception. A research group called the Trafalgar group recently ran a study where they asked two consumers, how likely are you to stop using a product or a service of a company that openly advocates for a political agenda? You disagree with 87% of people said they were likely to switch products. 13% said not now. I’m well aware of the fact that we’re talking about social and environmental activism versus political agendas, but who’s to say what is perceived as a political agenda. Now, the interesting thing here is that one of the consumer brands most associated with social agendas is Ben and Jerry’s. And it’s funny because I live in the Boston area and every year or so, we will make a trip up to stove Vermont.

Kelly Barner (17:37):

And while we’re there, we have a tendency to stop in at the Ben and Jerry’s factory because how do you keep driving and not stop for ice cream? Even if it is November in Vermont, and there’s a tour with a video and they talk about the fact that Unilever purchased the Ben and Jerry’s brand in order to allow their sense of social mission and activism to be infused through the company’s other products. Now, I used to think this was hysterical. I don’t think this was supposed to be the comedic part of the video, but I always thought it was ironic because when you compare the size of little Ben and Jerry’s to enormous global Unilever, how on earth is Ben and Jerry’s going to affect all of these brands? Well, clearly I was wrong because the executive team led by the CEO’s own words is now trying to copy some of the success that Ben and Jerry’s has had in this area.

Kelly Barner (18:34):

And yet, sometimes Ben and Jerry, whose acquisition agreement with Unilever protects their right to choose the social causes and political causes they wanna get behind. Sometimes it has gotten Ben and Jerry’s as well as Unilever into trouble. Here’s another example AIOS recently released their AIOS Harris poll. It’s an annual survey that gauges the reputations of the most visible brands in the country. What they do is they compare brand popularity by political affiliation, which is interesting. But the most interesting thing to me are the companies that are widely seen as reputable by both ends of the political spectrum. Some of the examples of companies that have done a very good job with this trader Joe’s Wegmans and the grocery chain HEB, they focus their mission and outreach on local communities, not national issues. So not only do they get the benefit of acting locally and staying out of trouble, that’s not necessarily going to help them sell more groceries.

Kelly Barner (19:52):

They reinforce their connection to the consumer. It’s in the consumer’s community where their activism bears fruit. So that’s sort of the consumer perception versus consumer action does the way a customer sees your brand and your brand identity and the causes that you choose to support actually make them spend more. But there is this economic challenge that’s running as a thread through everything we discuss today, retailers are facing real challenges because consumers are facing real challenges. Here’s one last wall street journal article that I wanna touch on. And this one actually is more recent. It’s from Saturday, May 28th, it’s titled shoppers are fretting. Stores are listening. Now, old Navy manages their own retail locations. Unilever does not. So their relationship with the two sets of customers is going to be different. How well they understand those customers and are able to tie what those customers want in need into pricing production.

Kelly Barner (21:03):

And yes, social and environmental causes is important. Here are some examples of successful consumer connection. Given the economic situation where in, from that article, Walmart has scrapped their original advertising plans and they are now refocusing their ad messaging around value rather than having product that’s on trend. They understand they have a value conscious customer, and they want that to be saturated in their messaging. One of Unilever’s competitors, Proctor and gamble also is taking an interesting approach. They are marketing a new dish soap bottle that is designed to save customers money by making sure they can get every single drop of soap out of that container. Another product where they’re taking the same cost conscious approach, they’re marketing a cold water version of tide detergent because it is cheaper and more efficient to wash clothes on a cold cycle. Now this isn’t to say that mission driven brands won’t work.

Kelly Barner (22:12):

We talked about Dove’s incredibly successful body image campaign Ben and Jerry’s has gotten a lot of traction. Even companies like Tom’s shoes, where you buy one thing and they take some of the profit and use it to do good. In some other part of the world, it can work, but nothing, absolutely nothing. Substitutes for efficient product development, consistent innovation and reliable customer experience. This is becoming more and more true. As ESG programs themselves are changing. They’re becoming increasingly metric driven as more external insight is focused on them. So the question for company leadership is which set of metrics are you going to work to? Are you going focus first and foremost on your carbon footprint and supplier diversity spend, or are you focused on margins? Same store sales and share price companies naturally want to be good corporate citizens, but the old saying is true.

Kelly Barner (23:23):

The road to hell is in fact paved with good intentions and you can’t help anyone if you’re not in business anymore. Your ability to execute well is ultimately what buys you the Liberty to pursue those social and environmental missions that are important to your company and your team. But first things have to come first. That’s my point of view anyway, and I can appreciate that everyone listening may have a wide range of perspectives on this topic. So first of all, thank you for listening to this episode of dial P, but please don’t just listen, join the conversation, bring alternate points flat out disagree, but let me know what you think. Let’s talk about it and work together to figure out the best solution until next time. I’m Kelly Barner here on dial P for procurement on supply chain. Now I thank you for your time and interest, and I hope you have a great rest of your day. We’ll see you back here next time.

Intro/Outro (24:28):

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Tandreia held similar positions at the business unit level for Global Logistics and Global Freight forwarding. As the leader of the Global Logistics engineering function, she directed all industrial engineering activies related to distribution, service parts logistics (post-sales support), and mail innovations (low cost, light weight shipping partnership with the USPS). Between these roles Tandreia helped to establish the Advanced Technology Group which was formed to research and develop cutting edge solutions focused on reducing reliance on manual labor.

Tandreia began her career in 1986 as a part-time hourly manual package handling employee. She spent the great majority of her career in the small package business unit which is responsible for the pick-up, sort, transport and delivery of packages domestically. She held various positions in Industrial Engineering, Marketing, Inside and On-road operations in Central Florida before transferring to Atlanta for a position in Corporate Product Development and Corporate Industrial Engineering. Tandreia later held IE leadership roles in Nebraska, Minnesota and Chicago. In her final role in small package she was an IE VP responsible for all aspects of IE, technology support and quality for the 25 states on the western half of the country.
Tandreia is currently a Director for the University of Central Florida (UCF) Foundation Board and also serves on their Dean’s Advisory Board for the College of Engineering and Computer Science. Previously Tandreia served on the Executive Advisory Board for Virginia Tech’s IE Department and the Association for Supply Chain Management. She served on the Board of Trustees for ChildServ (a Chicago child and family services non-profit) and also served on the Texas A&M and Tuskegee Engineering Advisory Boards. In 2006 she was named Business Advisor of the Year by INROADS, in 2009 she was recognized as a Technology All-Star at the Women of Color in STEM conference and in 2019 she honored as a UCF Distinguished Aluma by the Department of Industrial Engineering and Management Systems.

Tandreia holds a bachelor’s degree in Industrial Engineering from Stanford University and a master’s degree in Industrial Engineering and Management Systems from UCF. Her greatest accomplishment, however, is being the proud mother of two college students, Ruby (24) and Anthony (22).

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Marty Parker


Marty Parker serves as both the CEO & Founder of Adæpt Advising and an award-winning Senior Lecturer (Teaching Professor) in Supply Chain and Operations Management at the University of Georgia. He has 30 years of experience as a COO, CMO, CSO (Chief Strategy Officer), VP of Operations, VP of Marketing and Process Engineer. He founded and leads UGA’s Supply Chain Advisory Board, serves as the Academic Director of UGA’s Leaders Academy, and serves on multiple company advisory boards including the Trucking Profitability Strategies Conference, Zion Solutions Group and Carlton Creative Company.

Marty enjoys helping people and companies be successful. Through UGA, Marty is passionate about his students, helping them network and find internships and jobs. He does this through several hundred one-on-one zoom meetings each year with his students and former students. Through Adæpt Advising, Marty has organized an excellent team of affiliates that he works with to help companies grow and succeed. He does this by helping c-suite executives improve their skills, develop better leaders, engage their workforce, improve processes, and develop strategic plans with detailed action steps and financial targets. Marty believes that excellence in supply chain management comes from the understanding the intersection of leadership, culture, and technology, working across all parts of the organization to meet customer needs, maximize profit and minimize costs.

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Laura Lopez

Marketing Coordinator

Laura Lopez serves as our Supply Chain Now Marketing Coordinator. She graduated from Instituto Tecnológico y de Estudios Superiores de Occidente in Mexico with a degree in marketing. Laura loves everything digital because she sees the potential it holds for companies in the marketing industry. Her passion for creativity and thinking outside the box led her to pursue a career in marketing. With experience in fields like accounting, digital marketing, and restaurants, she clearly enjoys taking on challenges. Laura lives the best of both worlds - you'll either catch her hanging out with her friends soaking up the sun in Mexico or flying out to visit her family in California!

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Jake Barr


An acknowledged industry leader, Jake Barr now serves as CEO for BlueWorld Supply Chain Consulting, providing support to a cross section of Fortune 500 companies such as Cargill, Caterpillar, Colgate, Dow/Dupont, Firmenich, 3M, Merck, Bayer/Monsanto, Newell Brands, Kimberly Clark, Nestle, PepsiCo, Pfizer, Sanofi, Estee Lauder and Coty among others. He's also devoted time to engagements in public health sector work with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. At P&G, he managed the breakthrough delivery of an E2E (End to End) Planning Transformation effort, creating control towers which now manage the daily business globally. He is recognized as the architect for P&G’s demand driven supply chain strategy – referenced as a “Consumer Driven Supply Chain” transformation. Jake began his career with P&G in Finance in Risk Analysis and then moved into Operations. He has experience in building supply network capability globally through leadership assignments in Asia, Latin America, North America and the Middle East. He currently serves as a Research Associate for MIT; a member of Supply Chain Industry Advisory Council; Member of Gartner’s Supply Chain Think Tank; Consumer Goods “League of Leaders“; and a recipient of the 2015 - 2021 Supply Chain “Pro’s to Know” Award. He has been recognized as a University of Kentucky Fellow.

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Marcia Williams


Marcia Williams, Managing Partner of USM Supply Chain, has 18 years of experience in Supply Chain, with expertise in optimizing Supply Chain-Finance Planning (S&OP/ IBP) at Large Fast-Growing CPGs for greater profitability and improved cash flows. Marcia has helped mid-sized and large companies including Lindt Chocolates, Hershey, and Coty. She holds an MBA from Michigan State University and a degree in Accounting from Universidad de la Republica, Uruguay (South America). Marcia is also a Forbes Council Contributor based out of New York, and author of the book series Supply Chains with Maria in storytelling style. A recent speaker’s engagement is Marcia TEDx Talk: TEDxMSU - How Supply Chain Impacts You: A Transformational Journey.

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Luisa Garcia

Host, Logistics with Purpose

Luisa Garcia is a passionate Marketer from Lagos de Moreno based in Aguascalientes. She holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Marketing from Universidad Autonoma de Aguascalientes, Mexico. She specializes in brand development at any stage, believing that a brand is more than just a name or image—it’s an unforgettable experience. Her expertise helps brands achieve their dreams and aspirations, making a lasting impact. Currently working at Vector Global Logistics in the Marketing team and as podcast coordinator of Logistics With Purpose®. Luisa believes that purpose-driven decisions will impact results that make a difference in the world.

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Astrid Aubert

Host, Logistics with Purpose

Astrid Aubert was born in Guadalajara, she is 39 years old and has had the opportunity to live in many places. She studied communication and her professional career has been in Trade Marketing for global companies such as Pepsico and Mars. She currently works as Marketing Director Mexico for Vector Global Logistics. She is responsible for internal communications and marketing strategy development for the logistics industry. She is a mother of two girls, married and lives in Monterrey. She defines herself as a creative and innovative person, and enjoys traveling and cooking a lot.

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Constantine Limberakis


Constantine Limberakis is a thought leader in the area of procurement and supply management. He has over 20 years of international experience, playing strategic roles in a wide spectrum of organizations related to analyst advisory, consulting, product marketing, product development, and market research.Throughout his career, he's been passionate about engaging global business leaders and the broader analyst and technology community with strategic content, speaking engagements, podcasts, research, webinars, and industry articles.Constantine holds a BA in History from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and an MBA in Finance & Marketing / Masters in Public & International Affairs from the University of Pittsburgh.

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Scott W. Luton

Founder, CEO, & Host

As the founder and CEO of Supply Chain Now, you might say Scott is the voice of supply chain – but he’s too much of a team player to ever claim such a title. One thing’s for sure: he’s a tried and true supply chain expert. With over 15 years of experience in the end-to-end supply chain, Scott’s insights have appeared in major publications including The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, and CNN. He has also been named a top industry influencer by Thinkers360, ISCEA and more.

From 2009-2011, Scott was president of APICS Atlanta, and he continues to lead initiatives that support both the local business community and global industry. A United States Air Force Veteran, Scott has also regularly led efforts to give back to his fellow veteran community since his departure from active duty in 2002.

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Greg White

Principal & Host

When rapid-growth technology companies, venture capital and private equity firms are looking for advisory, they call Greg – a founder, board director, advisor and catalyst of disruptive B2B technology and supply chain. An insightful visionary, Greg guides founders, investors and leadership teams in creating breakthroughs to gain market exposure and momentum – increasing overall company esteem and valuation.

Greg is a founder himself, creating Blue Ridge Solutions, a Gartner Magic Quadrant Leader in cloud-native supply chain applications, and bringing to market Curo, a field service management solution. He has also held leadership roles with Servigistics (PTC) and E3 Corporation (JDA/Blue Yonder). As a principal and host at Supply Chain Now, Greg helps guide the company’s strategic direction, hosts industry leader discussions, community livestreams, and all in addition to executive producing and hosting his original YouTube channel and podcast, TEChquila Sunrise.

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Chris Barnes

Principal, Supply Chain Now
Host of Supply Chain is Boring

Talk about world-class: Chris is one of the few professionals in the world to hold CPIM-F, CLTD-F and CSCP-F designations from ASCM/APICS. He’s also the APICS coach – and our resident Supply Chain Doctor. When he’s not hosting programs with Supply Chain Now, he’s sharing supply chain knowledge on the APICS Coach Youtube channel or serving as a professional education instructor for the Georgia Tech Supply Chain & Logistic Institute’s Supply Chain Management (SCM) program and University of Tennessee-Chattanooga Center for Professional Education courses.

Chris earned a BS in Industrial Engineering from Bradley University, an MBA with emphasis in Industrial Psychology from the University of West Florida, and is a Doctoral in Supply Chain Management candidate.

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Tyler Ward

Director of Sales

Tyler Ward serves as Supply Chain Now's Director of Sales. Born and raised in Mid-Atlantic, Tyler is a proud graduate of Shippensburg University where he earned his degree in Communications. After college, he made his way to the beautiful state of Oregon, where he now lives with his wife and daughter.

With over a decade of experience in sales, Tyler has a proven track record of exceeding targets and leading high-performing teams. He credits his success to his ability to communicate effectively with customers and team members alike, as well as his strategic thinking and problem-solving skills.

When he's not closing deals, you can find Tyler on the links or cheering on his favorite football and basketball teams. He also enjoys spending time with his family, playing pick-up basketball, and traveling back to Ocean City, Maryland, his favorite place!

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Kevin L. Jackson

Host of Digital Transformers

Kevin L. Jackson is a globally recognized Thought Leader, Industry Influencer and Founder/Author of the award winning “Cloud Musings” blog.  He has also been recognized as a “Top 5G Influencer” (Onalytica 2019, Radar 2020), a “Top 50 Global Digital Transformation Thought Leader” (Thinkers 360 2019) and provides strategic consulting and integrated social media services to AT&T, Intel, Broadcom, Ericsson and other leading companies. Mr. Jackson’s commercial experience includes Vice President J.P. Morgan Chase, Worldwide Sales Executive for IBM and SAIC (Engility) Director Cloud Solutions. He has served on teams that have supported digital transformation projects for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the US Intelligence Community.  Kevin’s formal education includes a MS Computer Engineering from Naval Postgraduate School; MA National Security & Strategic Studies from Naval War College; and a BS Aerospace Engineering from the United States Naval Academy. Internationally recognizable firms that have sponsored articles authored by him include CiscoMicrosoft, Citrix and IBM.  Books include “Click to Transform” (Leaders Press, 2020), “Architecting Cloud Computing Solutions” (Packt, 2018), and “Practical Cloud Security: A Cross Industry View” (Taylor & Francis, 2016). He also delivers online training through Tulane UniversityO’Reilly MediaLinkedIn Learning, and Pluralsight.  Mr. Jackson retired from the U.S. Navy in 1994, earning specialties in Space Systems EngineeringCarrier Onboard Delivery Logistics and carrier-based Airborne Early Warning and Control. While active, he also served with the National Reconnaissance Office, Operational Support Office, providing tactical support to Navy and Marine Corps forces worldwide.

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Enrique Alvarez

Host of Logistics with Purpose and Supply Chain Now en Español

Enrique serves as Managing Director at Vector Global Logistics and believes we all have a personal responsibility to change the world. He is hard working, relationship minded and pro-active. Enrique trusts that the key to logistics is having a good and responsible team that truly partners with the clients and does whatever is necessary to see them succeed. He is a proud sponsor of Vector’s unique results-based work environment and before venturing into logistics he worked for the Boston Consulting Group (BCG). During his time at BCG, he worked in different industries such as Telecommunications, Energy, Industrial Goods, Building Materials, and Private Banking. His main focus was always on the operations, sales, and supply chain processes, with case focus on, logistics, growth strategy, and cost reduction. Prior to joining BCG, Enrique worked for Grupo Vitro, a Mexican glass manufacturer, for five years holding different positions from sales and logistics manager to supply chain project leader in charge of five warehouses in Colombia.

He has an MBA from The Wharton School of Business and a BS, in Mechanical Engineer from the Technologico de Monterrey in Mexico. Enrique’s passions are soccer and the ocean, and he also enjoys traveling, getting to know new people, and spending time with his wife and two kids, Emma and Enrique.

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Kelly Barner

Host of Dial P for Procurement

Kelly is the Owner and Managing Director of Buyers Meeting Point and MyPurchasingCenter. She has been in procurement since 2003, starting as a practitioner and then as the Associate Director of Consulting at Emptoris. She has covered procurement news, events, publications, solutions, trends, and relevant economics at Buyers Meeting Point since 2009. Kelly is also the General Manager at Art of Procurement and Business Survey Chair for the ISM-New York Report on Business. Kelly has her MBA from Babson College as well as an MS in Library and Information Science from Simmons College and she has co-authored three books: ‘Supply Market Intelligence for Procurement Professionals’, ‘Procurement at a Crossroads’, and ‘Finance Unleashed’.

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Mary Kate Soliva

Host, Veteran Voices

Mary Kate Soliva is a veteran of the US Army and cofounder of the Guam Human Rights Initiative. She is currently in the Doctor of Criminal Justice program at Saint Leo University. She is passionate about combating human trafficking and has spent the last decade conducting training for military personnel and the local community.

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Amanda Luton

Vice President, Production

Amanda is a production and marketing veteran and entrepreneur with over 20 years of experience across a variety of industries and organizations including Von Maur, Anthropologie, AmericasMart Atlanta, and Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta. Amanda currently manages, produces, and develops modern digital content for Supply Chain Now and their clients. Amanda has previously served as the VP of Information Systems and Webmaster on the Board of Directors for APICS Savannah, and founded and managed her own successful digital marketing firm, Magnolia Marketing Group. When she’s not leading the Supply Chain Now production team, you can find Amanda in the kitchen, reading, listening to podcasts, or enjoying time with family.

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Clay Phillips

Business Development Manager

Clay is passionate about two things: supply chain and the marketing that goes into it. Recently graduated with a degree in marketing at the University of Georgia, Clay got his start as a journalism major and inaugural member of the Owl’s football team at Kennesaw State University – but quickly saw tremendous opportunity in the Terry College of Business. He’s already putting his education to great use at Supply Chain Now, assisting with everything from sales and brand strategy to media production. Clay has contributed to initiatives such as our leap into video production, the guest blog series, and boosting social media presence, and after nearly two years in Supply Chain Now’s Marketing Department, Clay now heads up partnership and sales initiatives with the help of the rest of the Supply Chain Now sales team.

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Trisha Cordes

Administrative Assistant

Trisha is new to the supply chain industry – but not to podcasting. She’s an experienced podcast manager and virtual assistant who also happens to have 20 years of experience as an elementary school teacher. It’s safe to say, she’s passionate about helping people, and she lives out that passion every day with the Supply Chain Now team, contributing to scheduling and podcast production.

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Chantel King

Social Media Manager

My name is Chantel King and I am the Social Media Specialist at Supply Chain Now. My job is to make sure our audience is engaged and educated on the abundant amount of information the supply chain industry has to offer.

Social Media and Communications has been my niche ever since I graduated from college at The Academy of Art University in San Francisco. No, I am not a West Coast girl. I was born and raised in New Jersey, but my travel experience goes way beyond the garden state. My true passion is in creating editorial and graphic content that influences others to be great in whatever industry they are in. I’ve done this by working with lifestyle, financial, and editorial companies by providing resources to enhance their businesses.

Another passion of mine is trying new things. Whether it’s food, an activity, or a sport. I would like to say that I am an adventurous Taurus that never shies away from a new quest or challenge.

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Lori Sofian

Marketing Coordinator

Lori is currently completing a degree in marketing with an emphasis in digital marketing at the University of Georgia. When she’s not supporting the marketing efforts at Supply Chain Now, you can find her at music festivals – or working toward her dream goal of a fashion career. Lori is involved in many extracurricular activities and appreciates all the learning experiences UGA has brought her.

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Katherine Hintz

Director, Customer Experience

Katherine is a marketing professional and MBA candidate who strives to unite her love of people with a passion for positive experiences. Having a diverse background, which includes nonprofit work with digital marketing and start-ups, she serves as a leader who helps people live their most creative lives by cultivating community, order, collaboration, and respect. With equal parts creativity and analytics, she brings a unique skill set which fosters refining, problem solving, and connecting organizations with their true vision. In her free time, you can usually find her looking for her cup of coffee, playing with her puppy Charlie, and dreaming of her next road trip.

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Mary Kate Love

Chief of Staff & Host

Mary Kate Love is currently the VP of marketing at Supply Chain Now focused on brand strategy and audience + revenue growth. Mary Kate’s career is a testament to her versatility and innovative spirit: she has experience in start-ups, venture capital, and building innovation initiatives from the ground up: she previously helped lead the build-out of the Supply Chain Innovation Center at Georgia-Pacific and before that, MxD (Manufacturing times Digital): the Department of Defense’s digital manufacturing innovation center. Mary Kate has a passion for taking complicated ideas and turning them into reality: she was one of the first team members at MxD and the first team member at the Supply Chain Innovation Center at Georgia-Pacific.

Mary Kate dedicates her extra time to education and mentorship: she was one of the founding Board Members for Women Influence Chicago and led an initiative for a city-wide job shadow day for young women across Chicago tech companies and was previously on the Board of Directors at St. Laurence High School in Chicago, Young Irish Fellowship Board and the UN Committee for Women. Mary Kate is the founder of National Supply Chain Day and enjoys co-hosting podcasts at Supply Chain Now. Mary Kate is from the south side of Chicago, a mom of two baby boys, and an avid 16-inch softball player. She holds a BS in Political Science from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

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Joshua Miranda

Marketing Specialist

Joshua is a student from Institute of Technology and Higher Education of Monterrey Campus Guadalajara in Communication and Digital Media. His experience ranges from Plug and Play México, DearDoc, and Nissan México creating unique social media marketing campaigns and graphics design. Joshua helps to amplify the voice of supply chain here at Supply Chain Now by assisting in graphic design, content creation, asset logistics, and more.  In his free time he likes to read and write short stories as well as watch movies and television series.

Donna Krache

Director of Communications and Executive Producer

Donna Krache is a former CNN executive producer who has won several awards in journalism and communication, including three Peabodys.  She has 30 years’ experience in broadcast and digital journalism. She led the first production team at CNN to convert its show to a digital platform. She has authored many articles for CNN and other media outlets. She taught digital journalism at Georgia State University and Arizona State University. Krache holds a bachelor’s degree in government from the College of William and Mary and a master’s degree in curriculum and instruction from the University of New Orleans. She is a serious sports fan who loves the Braves. She is president of the Dave Krache Foundation. Named in honor of her late husband, this non-profit pays fees for kids who want to play sports but whose parents are facing economic challenges.

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