Dial P for Procurement
Episode 27

What seems to be really happening with this so-called “waiver” is a multi-lateral agreement that some developing nations are going to not enforce COVID vaccine patents within their borders and the WTO is not going to retaliate.

- Wen Xie, Partner at Global IP Counselors

Episode Summary

The innovation we saw play out in the development of multiple COVID-19 vaccines was evidence of the power of modern medicine when combined with the determination of the human spirit. Global collaboration plus investment plus information sharing compressed the time from start to finish from 10-15 years to just one year.

But now that the smoke has started to clear, questions are beginning to arise about the IP associated with those vaccines. How can the world ensure equitable access to vaccines and treatments now and into the future?

In May of 2022, a draft proposal leaked from a few member countries in the World Trade Organization: United States, European Union, India, and South Africa. If the proposal is presented to other member companies on July 7-9 (it has already been delayed form a planned vote on June 9th), we will have the opportunity to see the official wording as well as the response it gets from the rest of the world.

In this week’s Dial P audio podcast, Kelly Barner reviews the interesting complexities surrounding this leaked proposal:

• Whether equitable access to vaccines and other medical treatments is really at the heart of the proposal, or whether there are other motives at play

• Why the WTO TRIPS agreement (Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights) isn’t being invoked even though it contains appropriate allowances for temporary, local IP access in the case of “extreme urgency”

• What the implications of inconsistently applied IP protections might be for global innovation – in medicine and beyond

Episode Transcript

Intro/Outro (00:01):

Welcome to dial P for procurement, a show focused on today’s biggest spin supplier and contract management related business opportunities. Dial P investigates, the nuanced and constantly evolving boundary of the procurement supply chain divide with a broadcast of engaged executives, providers, and thought leaders give us an hour and we’ll provide you with a new perspective on supply chain value. And now it’s time to dial P for procurement.

Kelly Barner (00:31):

The world faced a lot of hardship during the COVID 19 pandemic, there was of course, tragic loss of life. There was sickness, and then there was the isolation of everyone being sent home to live on their own for so long. Now we also know there were a lot of business closures, especially in localized service sectors like restaurants and gyms. And then of course, anybody in this audience knows well that there were so many supply chain disruptions. There were also product shortages. And a lot of it was actually in response to new consumer patterns of demand. But all of those things aside, there were also some silver linings. And what we’re going to talk about in this episode is sort of an interesting offshoot from one of those silver linings. The invention of the COVID 19 vaccine was an amazing human and scientific accomplishment. Just one year after the virus was first identified, the Pfizer vaccine became the first to receive emergency youth’s authorization from the FDA.

Kelly Barner (01:47):

Now, according to the publication medical news today, typically this process would take 10 to 15 years and part of how they accelerated that so much was through collaboration. Researchers worked together and they shared information, so that progress could be made in parallel operation warp speed in the United States brought together the national institutes of health Emma centers for disease control and prevention or CDC. And the same thing was happening abroad. The European union supported research and the UK vaccine task force helped fund and create the AstraZeneca vaccine Pfizer. And Moderna were the first mRNA vaccines that humans received outside of clinical trials. So we have all of this incredible innovation that’s taken place. And of course the follow on question is who owns it and how can it be protected? How do we as a human race balance the calls for equitable access to cutting edge medicines and treatments with the very real concerns private companies have about investing in future research and production.

Kelly Barner (03:10):

I’m Kelly Barner, I’m the co-founder and managing director at buyers meeting point. I’m a partner at art of procurement, and I am your host for dial P here on supply chain. Now I am constantly scanning the news for interesting complex articles to discuss. And of course the goal is always to see what we can learn. I have a quick favor to ask we’re building out dial P’s independent following. So if you like, what you hear, please give us a review, give us a few stars, a share a like we’re grateful for you taking your time to listen to these audio episodes. Okay. Now, where were we? This episode of dial P was inspired by an early may article that ran in the Boston Herald. It was titled threat to global innovation now brewing at the WTO, and it was written by James pulley, former deputy director of the United nations world intellectual property organization, and a member of the center for intellectual property.

Kelly Barner (04:17):

Understanding I was instantly grabbed by the idea of this article and it gave me something to go and research. Now whether each individual person chooses to get it or not. We’re not getting into that here. The COVID vaccine was a miracle of modern research, production and logistics, but on the global stage, there are very different vaccination rates by country. According to the Brookings Institute in low income countries, fewer than 10% of people have received at least one dose of a vaccine that compares with about 80% in high income countries. And as with anything real, there are of course, multiple factors influencing these numbers. There are local manufacturing capabilities, the availability of transportation networks. We know this vaccine has to be stored cold and then on a human level, people are going to make the choices they’re going to make. There are varying levels of willingness to be vaccinated.

Kelly Barner (05:26):

Now, where does the world trade organization come into this? They exist to establish the rules of trade between nations. There are 164 member states who represent over 98% of global trade and global GDP. So effectively we are talking about all global business, the WTO oversees trade disputes, and they provide for intellectual property protections. Now in early may of this year, when the article I originally read, came out, the United States, European union, India and South Africa had just finalized a proposal to waive intellectual property protections for the COVID 19 vaccines. There was supposed to be a vote of all member states on June 9th, but that has been postponed to early July. So we’ll have to wait a little longer to find out exactly what’s going to happen with this proposal. In the meantime, we can consider what it would mean if it passed now, according to when Shia and that’s spelled X I E.

Kelly Barner (06:41):

If you wanna go research any of this, she’s a partner at global IP counselors. And here’s what she said. Quote, if this goes through member countries have the option to make use, sell, or import COVID 19 vaccines without the authorization of the patent holder, which is saying that the vaccine makers can’t raise a big fuss and take anyone to court on the grounds that their patents are being infringed. So this is where I stop and think. But wait a minute, we’re talking about trading selling. Is this really about equal access to medical care and treatments? Or is there something else going on now? We know that intellectual property protections is part of what the WTO does and they already have what’s called the trips agreement. T R I P S. This is the agreement on trade related aspects of intellectual property rights. It was established in 1995, right when the world trade organization began operating and it lays out the minimum standards for requiring member states to respect and protect each other’s patents, trade secrets, trademarks, and copyrights.

Kelly Barner (08:02):

Here’s the interesting thing that we don’t often think about when it comes to intellectual property, those rights, those laws, and then of course enforcement, they vary by country. The trips agreement is supposed to open trade by providing assurances and protections so that if you have a trademark or a patent on something in the United States or in Canada or in the UK, or in France, that even though technically it is legally only protected in the country of origin or where the patent was filed, that there is reciprocal acknowledgement of that elsewhere, knowing that these protections are in place is what allows a lot of the cross border selling exports imports, availability of innovations worldwide. There is no such thing as a global or WTO based patent. So instead there’s this notion through trips, that agreement that countries will respect the IP based in other countries. And we’ve already established that 98% of global business is subject to the world trade organization.

Kelly Barner (09:21):

So truthfully everyone worldwide should be respecting everyone else’s intellectual property laws. Now this becomes more and more important as an increasing percentage of global trade is based on IP driven products. Now, trips does have a provision that allows for emergency situations, for instance, in response to a public health crisis, like a pandemic. And what it allows for is for localized manufacturers around the world to produce something for which they do not hold the IP in order to help their local population. It allows temporary localized access to IP without violating the rights of the patent or trademark owner. So my first question is why do we need this new proposal? If there’s already a provision on the books that would address the exact situation we find ourselves in with the vaccine. And so as always, we dig into the details here on dial P. So I mentioned there’s four countries where I guess four trading blocks, if you will, because we’ve got the European union in there, the us European union, South Africa and India, those are the four countries or trading blocks that have signed on to this proposal.

Kelly Barner (10:44):

South Africa and India are both hubs of generic drug manufacturing, and they have global markets. Remember trips, emergency exception only allows you to use others’ IP to take care of your own local population. It’s an emergency provision. It’s not supposed to be about growing your market. Share the serum Institute of India, which is the world’s largest vaccine manufacturer actually has stopped making COVID vaccines because there was not enough demand for them. Africa’s centers for disease control and prevention has asked other nations to stop donating vaccines because their issues are not availability. It’s transportation and population hesitancy to receive the vaccine. So once again, we’re left with this question, why do India and South Africa need this exception now? Because this is a question of business. We have to think about the bottom line R and D is very expensive. Most of the well known companies in the pharma space spend about 25% of their revenues on R and D.

Kelly Barner (12:04):

If they lose the incentive to invest that money, because other members of the world trade organization can just choose to ignore their patents. It could actually change the treatments that become available to the people who need them. So is this proposal about access or is it about the ability to trade and profit off of someone else’s IP now naturally there is disagreement around this issue while some countries and leaders argue that the new proposal is a threat to the enforcement of IP rights worldwide. Others argue that it doesn’t go far enough, and here’s what they say. They say for now. It only covers vaccine, not the broader treatments that would actually be covered by a trip’s exception as set out in the current rules. And yet they do allow for the possibility that it would be expanded over time now, because this type of topic, business and healthcare, though, it might be, is so close to politics.

Kelly Barner (13:10):

You will always be able to find a source or an opinion holder that agrees with your general worldview, no matter what you will find, someone that agrees with what makes sense to you. My question is, can you read what others feel about this and understand where they’re coming from? One thing everyone does seem to agree about whether they support this proposal or oppose it is that it’s not really about the COVID vaccine IP waiver. That may be the topic of the moment, but that’s not really what’s at the core of the debate. The core of the debate is about the precedent that however, this proposal plays out, ultimately sets up for future IP protections, enforcement abuse. When Shia that I quoted earlier summarized the current status this way, what seems to be really happening with this so-called waiver is a multi-lateral agreement that some developing nations are going to not enforce COVID vaccine patents within their borders and the world trade organization is not going to retaliate.

Kelly Barner (14:22):

Now, one of the things that we definitely know about business in general, and we absolutely know about supply chain more specifically, is that when you’re trying to become more competitive, there are assumptions, there are constraints, and then you run the analysis against it. The more unpredictable a situation is the more difficult it becomes to figure out the right answer. If knowing whether or not IP protections will be offered and violations will be prosecuted. Worldwide becomes a huge question, mark. It changes the overall calculus of companies. Now, if you don’t think this is a big deal, remember pretty much everyone worldwide is a member of the world trade organization. And that includes China. There are currently a number of ongoing complaints against China over their violation of the trips agreement. Now, there are reciprocal complaints against the United States and a number of other countries I’m sure.

Kelly Barner (15:23):

And all of these countries have the option to work through the world trade organization, as well as to proceed unilaterally with their own laws. Of course, the most interesting thing of all about this proposal is that we only know about it because it leaked. So that always complicates things. And I will admit that the fact that the vote has now been delayed on top of this proposal, being leaked suggests that maybe they’re trying to figure out what the actual world temperature around this proposal is going to be before it’s put on the floor and brought to a vote. The language that is voted upon between July 7th and ninth. Now that’s based on the current schedule may or may not eventually have graduated provisions that expand the scope of the waiver. So right now, by the letter of it, it’s literally just the vaccine, but will it be expanded?

Kelly Barner (16:18):

As some people have said, it should be to include treatments as well. Now, global IP issues are not just the business of the world trade organization. This is a much bigger problem on March 7th, 2022 Russia’s government. Believe it or not legalized IP theft from what they call unfriendly countries. Now that’s a quote, those are their words, unfriendly countries. So if we’re gonna stay with that kind of language, you’ve got the one country on earth that pretty much everybody’s mad at right now. And they’re calling pretty much everybody else unfriendly. So who have they called out as unfriendly countries? Yes, of course the United States. We always top that list. Canada, Australia, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, the UK, Japan, South Korea, New Zealand, Singapore Taiwan, and all 27 European union member countries. So everyone is an unfriendly country and they no longer feel that it’s necessary to compensate patent holders. If the patent holders are in those unfriendly countries, world economies are always changing and an awful lot of what we do in the United States and Europe certainly is knowledge based.

Kelly Barner (17:47):

And we’re not just talking about literal knowledge like professional services. We’re talking about technology software, chip design. We’ve certainly spent the last few minutes talking about pharmaceuticals and medicine development, but we’re also talking about physical engineering. If we, and I won’t say as a global economy, but I will say as a global set of national economies gets ourselves into a system where IP rights are enforced in some places, but not others. It is absolutely going to get in the way of global partnerships, global innovation and cross industry advancement. Personally, I’m not one who looks to governments to fix things, but I do think if there are rules already on the books that can address the challenges we’re seeing passing new rules does raise concern about what’s actually at the heart of the call for new, but that’s just my point of view. As I’ve shared others, hold differing opinions.

Kelly Barner (18:52):

You may be listening in and holding a differing opinion yourself. This is a complex issue, which is why it’s worth learning about reading, about talking about and trying to figure out I absolutely, as I do with all of these episodes, welcome you to do your own research. Don’t trust me, do your own reading. Bring your point of view back to the conversation. Let’s talk about it and see if we can figure out what makes the most sense until then. I appreciate you listening in to this episode of dial P for procurement. As I’ve said, don’t just listen, join the conversation and let me and others know what you think. Let’s disagree constructively and work together to figure out the best solution until next time. I’m Kelly Barner, your host for dial P for procurement here on supply chain. Now thank you as always so much for listening and have a great rest of your day.

Intro/Outro (19:51):

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Jake Barr


An acknowledged industry leader, Jake Barr now serves as CEO for BlueWorld Supply Chain Consulting, providing support to a cross section of Fortune 500 companies such as Cargill, Caterpillar, Colgate, Dow/Dupont, Firmenich, 3M, Merck, Bayer/Monsanto, Newell Brands, Kimberly Clark, Nestle, PepsiCo, Pfizer, Sanofi, Estee Lauder and Coty among others. He's also devoted time to engagements in public health sector work with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. At P&G, he managed the breakthrough delivery of an E2E (End to End) Planning Transformation effort, creating control towers which now manage the daily business globally. He is recognized as the architect for P&G’s demand driven supply chain strategy – referenced as a “Consumer Driven Supply Chain” transformation. Jake began his career with P&G in Finance in Risk Analysis and then moved into Operations. He has experience in building supply network capability globally through leadership assignments in Asia, Latin America, North America and the Middle East. He currently serves as a Research Associate for MIT; a member of Supply Chain Industry Advisory Council; Member of Gartner’s Supply Chain Think Tank; Consumer Goods “League of Leaders“; and a recipient of the 2015 - 2021 Supply Chain “Pro’s to Know” Award. He has been recognized as a University of Kentucky Fellow.

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Marcia Williams


Marcia Williams, Managing Partner of USM Supply Chain, has 18 years of experience in Supply Chain, with expertise in optimizing Supply Chain-Finance Planning (S&OP/ IBP) at Large Fast-Growing CPGs for greater profitability and improved cash flows. Marcia has helped mid-sized and large companies including Lindt Chocolates, Hershey, and Coty. She holds an MBA from Michigan State University and a degree in Accounting from Universidad de la Republica, Uruguay (South America). Marcia is also a Forbes Council Contributor based out of New York, and author of the book series Supply Chains with Maria in storytelling style. A recent speaker’s engagement is Marcia TEDx Talk: TEDxMSU - How Supply Chain Impacts You: A Transformational Journey.

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Luisa Garcia

Host, Logistics with Purpose

Luisa Garcia is a passionate Marketer from Lagos de Moreno based in Aguascalientes. She holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Marketing from Universidad Autonoma de Aguascalientes, Mexico. She specializes in brand development at any stage, believing that a brand is more than just a name or image—it’s an unforgettable experience. Her expertise helps brands achieve their dreams and aspirations, making a lasting impact. Currently working at Vector Global Logistics in the Marketing team and as podcast coordinator of Logistics With Purpose®. Luisa believes that purpose-driven decisions will impact results that make a difference in the world.

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Astrid Aubert

Host, Logistics with Purpose

Astrid Aubert was born in Guadalajara, she is 39 years old and has had the opportunity to live in many places. She studied communication and her professional career has been in Trade Marketing for global companies such as Pepsico and Mars. She currently works as Marketing Director Mexico for Vector Global Logistics. She is responsible for internal communications and marketing strategy development for the logistics industry. She is a mother of two girls, married and lives in Monterrey. She defines herself as a creative and innovative person, and enjoys traveling and cooking a lot.

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Constantine Limberakis


Constantine Limberakis is a thought leader in the area of procurement and supply management. He has over 20 years of international experience, playing strategic roles in a wide spectrum of organizations related to analyst advisory, consulting, product marketing, product development, and market research.Throughout his career, he's been passionate about engaging global business leaders and the broader analyst and technology community with strategic content, speaking engagements, podcasts, research, webinars, and industry articles.Constantine holds a BA in History from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and an MBA in Finance & Marketing / Masters in Public & International Affairs from the University of Pittsburgh.

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Scott W. Luton

Founder, CEO, & Host

As the founder and CEO of Supply Chain Now, you might say Scott is the voice of supply chain – but he’s too much of a team player to ever claim such a title. One thing’s for sure: he’s a tried and true supply chain expert. With over 15 years of experience in the end-to-end supply chain, Scott’s insights have appeared in major publications including The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, and CNN. He has also been named a top industry influencer by Thinkers360, ISCEA and more.

From 2009-2011, Scott was president of APICS Atlanta, and he continues to lead initiatives that support both the local business community and global industry. A United States Air Force Veteran, Scott has also regularly led efforts to give back to his fellow veteran community since his departure from active duty in 2002.

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Greg White

Principal & Host

When rapid-growth technology companies, venture capital and private equity firms are looking for advisory, they call Greg – a founder, board director, advisor and catalyst of disruptive B2B technology and supply chain. An insightful visionary, Greg guides founders, investors and leadership teams in creating breakthroughs to gain market exposure and momentum – increasing overall company esteem and valuation.

Greg is a founder himself, creating Blue Ridge Solutions, a Gartner Magic Quadrant Leader in cloud-native supply chain applications, and bringing to market Curo, a field service management solution. He has also held leadership roles with Servigistics (PTC) and E3 Corporation (JDA/Blue Yonder). As a principal and host at Supply Chain Now, Greg helps guide the company’s strategic direction, hosts industry leader discussions, community livestreams, and all in addition to executive producing and hosting his original YouTube channel and podcast, TEChquila Sunrise.

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Chris Barnes

Principal, Supply Chain Now
Host of Supply Chain is Boring

Talk about world-class: Chris is one of the few professionals in the world to hold CPIM-F, CLTD-F and CSCP-F designations from ASCM/APICS. He’s also the APICS coach – and our resident Supply Chain Doctor. When he’s not hosting programs with Supply Chain Now, he’s sharing supply chain knowledge on the APICS Coach Youtube channel or serving as a professional education instructor for the Georgia Tech Supply Chain & Logistic Institute’s Supply Chain Management (SCM) program and University of Tennessee-Chattanooga Center for Professional Education courses.

Chris earned a BS in Industrial Engineering from Bradley University, an MBA with emphasis in Industrial Psychology from the University of West Florida, and is a Doctoral in Supply Chain Management candidate.

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Tyler Ward

Director of Sales

Tyler Ward serves as Supply Chain Now's Director of Sales. Born and raised in Mid-Atlantic, Tyler is a proud graduate of Shippensburg University where he earned his degree in Communications. After college, he made his way to the beautiful state of Oregon, where he now lives with his wife and daughter.

With over a decade of experience in sales, Tyler has a proven track record of exceeding targets and leading high-performing teams. He credits his success to his ability to communicate effectively with customers and team members alike, as well as his strategic thinking and problem-solving skills.

When he's not closing deals, you can find Tyler on the links or cheering on his favorite football and basketball teams. He also enjoys spending time with his family, playing pick-up basketball, and traveling back to Ocean City, Maryland, his favorite place!

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Kevin L. Jackson

Host of Digital Transformers

Kevin L. Jackson is a globally recognized Thought Leader, Industry Influencer and Founder/Author of the award winning “Cloud Musings” blog.  He has also been recognized as a “Top 5G Influencer” (Onalytica 2019, Radar 2020), a “Top 50 Global Digital Transformation Thought Leader” (Thinkers 360 2019) and provides strategic consulting and integrated social media services to AT&T, Intel, Broadcom, Ericsson and other leading companies. Mr. Jackson’s commercial experience includes Vice President J.P. Morgan Chase, Worldwide Sales Executive for IBM and SAIC (Engility) Director Cloud Solutions. He has served on teams that have supported digital transformation projects for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the US Intelligence Community.  Kevin’s formal education includes a MS Computer Engineering from Naval Postgraduate School; MA National Security & Strategic Studies from Naval War College; and a BS Aerospace Engineering from the United States Naval Academy. Internationally recognizable firms that have sponsored articles authored by him include CiscoMicrosoft, Citrix and IBM.  Books include “Click to Transform” (Leaders Press, 2020), “Architecting Cloud Computing Solutions” (Packt, 2018), and “Practical Cloud Security: A Cross Industry View” (Taylor & Francis, 2016). He also delivers online training through Tulane UniversityO’Reilly MediaLinkedIn Learning, and Pluralsight.  Mr. Jackson retired from the U.S. Navy in 1994, earning specialties in Space Systems EngineeringCarrier Onboard Delivery Logistics and carrier-based Airborne Early Warning and Control. While active, he also served with the National Reconnaissance Office, Operational Support Office, providing tactical support to Navy and Marine Corps forces worldwide.

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Enrique Alvarez

Host of Logistics with Purpose and Supply Chain Now en Español

Enrique serves as Managing Director at Vector Global Logistics and believes we all have a personal responsibility to change the world. He is hard working, relationship minded and pro-active. Enrique trusts that the key to logistics is having a good and responsible team that truly partners with the clients and does whatever is necessary to see them succeed. He is a proud sponsor of Vector’s unique results-based work environment and before venturing into logistics he worked for the Boston Consulting Group (BCG). During his time at BCG, he worked in different industries such as Telecommunications, Energy, Industrial Goods, Building Materials, and Private Banking. His main focus was always on the operations, sales, and supply chain processes, with case focus on, logistics, growth strategy, and cost reduction. Prior to joining BCG, Enrique worked for Grupo Vitro, a Mexican glass manufacturer, for five years holding different positions from sales and logistics manager to supply chain project leader in charge of five warehouses in Colombia.

He has an MBA from The Wharton School of Business and a BS, in Mechanical Engineer from the Technologico de Monterrey in Mexico. Enrique’s passions are soccer and the ocean, and he also enjoys traveling, getting to know new people, and spending time with his wife and two kids, Emma and Enrique.

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Kelly Barner

Host of Dial P for Procurement

Kelly is the Owner and Managing Director of Buyers Meeting Point and MyPurchasingCenter. She has been in procurement since 2003, starting as a practitioner and then as the Associate Director of Consulting at Emptoris. She has covered procurement news, events, publications, solutions, trends, and relevant economics at Buyers Meeting Point since 2009. Kelly is also the General Manager at Art of Procurement and Business Survey Chair for the ISM-New York Report on Business. Kelly has her MBA from Babson College as well as an MS in Library and Information Science from Simmons College and she has co-authored three books: ‘Supply Market Intelligence for Procurement Professionals’, ‘Procurement at a Crossroads’, and ‘Finance Unleashed’.

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Mary Kate Soliva

Host, Veteran Voices

Mary Kate Soliva is a veteran of the US Army and cofounder of the Guam Human Rights Initiative. She is currently in the Doctor of Criminal Justice program at Saint Leo University. She is passionate about combating human trafficking and has spent the last decade conducting training for military personnel and the local community.

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Amanda Luton

Vice President, Production

Amanda is a production and marketing veteran and entrepreneur with over 20 years of experience across a variety of industries and organizations including Von Maur, Anthropologie, AmericasMart Atlanta, and Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta. Amanda currently manages, produces, and develops modern digital content for Supply Chain Now and their clients. Amanda has previously served as the VP of Information Systems and Webmaster on the Board of Directors for APICS Savannah, and founded and managed her own successful digital marketing firm, Magnolia Marketing Group. When she’s not leading the Supply Chain Now production team, you can find Amanda in the kitchen, reading, listening to podcasts, or enjoying time with family.

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Clay Phillips

Business Development Manager

Clay is passionate about two things: supply chain and the marketing that goes into it. Recently graduated with a degree in marketing at the University of Georgia, Clay got his start as a journalism major and inaugural member of the Owl’s football team at Kennesaw State University – but quickly saw tremendous opportunity in the Terry College of Business. He’s already putting his education to great use at Supply Chain Now, assisting with everything from sales and brand strategy to media production. Clay has contributed to initiatives such as our leap into video production, the guest blog series, and boosting social media presence, and after nearly two years in Supply Chain Now’s Marketing Department, Clay now heads up partnership and sales initiatives with the help of the rest of the Supply Chain Now sales team.

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Trisha Cordes

Administrative Assistant

Trisha is new to the supply chain industry – but not to podcasting. She’s an experienced podcast manager and virtual assistant who also happens to have 20 years of experience as an elementary school teacher. It’s safe to say, she’s passionate about helping people, and she lives out that passion every day with the Supply Chain Now team, contributing to scheduling and podcast production.

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Chantel King

Social Media Manager

My name is Chantel King and I am the Social Media Specialist at Supply Chain Now. My job is to make sure our audience is engaged and educated on the abundant amount of information the supply chain industry has to offer.

Social Media and Communications has been my niche ever since I graduated from college at The Academy of Art University in San Francisco. No, I am not a West Coast girl. I was born and raised in New Jersey, but my travel experience goes way beyond the garden state. My true passion is in creating editorial and graphic content that influences others to be great in whatever industry they are in. I’ve done this by working with lifestyle, financial, and editorial companies by providing resources to enhance their businesses.

Another passion of mine is trying new things. Whether it’s food, an activity, or a sport. I would like to say that I am an adventurous Taurus that never shies away from a new quest or challenge.

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Lori Sofian

Marketing Coordinator

Lori is currently completing a degree in marketing with an emphasis in digital marketing at the University of Georgia. When she’s not supporting the marketing efforts at Supply Chain Now, you can find her at music festivals – or working toward her dream goal of a fashion career. Lori is involved in many extracurricular activities and appreciates all the learning experiences UGA has brought her.

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Katherine Hintz

Director, Customer Experience

Katherine is a marketing professional and MBA candidate who strives to unite her love of people with a passion for positive experiences. Having a diverse background, which includes nonprofit work with digital marketing and start-ups, she serves as a leader who helps people live their most creative lives by cultivating community, order, collaboration, and respect. With equal parts creativity and analytics, she brings a unique skill set which fosters refining, problem solving, and connecting organizations with their true vision. In her free time, you can usually find her looking for her cup of coffee, playing with her puppy Charlie, and dreaming of her next road trip.

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Mary Kate Love

Chief of Staff & Host

Mary Kate Love is currently the VP of marketing at Supply Chain Now focused on brand strategy and audience + revenue growth. Mary Kate’s career is a testament to her versatility and innovative spirit: she has experience in start-ups, venture capital, and building innovation initiatives from the ground up: she previously helped lead the build-out of the Supply Chain Innovation Center at Georgia-Pacific and before that, MxD (Manufacturing times Digital): the Department of Defense’s digital manufacturing innovation center. Mary Kate has a passion for taking complicated ideas and turning them into reality: she was one of the first team members at MxD and the first team member at the Supply Chain Innovation Center at Georgia-Pacific.

Mary Kate dedicates her extra time to education and mentorship: she was one of the founding Board Members for Women Influence Chicago and led an initiative for a city-wide job shadow day for young women across Chicago tech companies and was previously on the Board of Directors at St. Laurence High School in Chicago, Young Irish Fellowship Board and the UN Committee for Women. Mary Kate is the founder of National Supply Chain Day and enjoys co-hosting podcasts at Supply Chain Now. Mary Kate is from the south side of Chicago, a mom of two baby boys, and an avid 16-inch softball player. She holds a BS in Political Science from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

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Joshua Miranda

Marketing Specialist

Joshua is a student from Institute of Technology and Higher Education of Monterrey Campus Guadalajara in Communication and Digital Media. His experience ranges from Plug and Play México, DearDoc, and Nissan México creating unique social media marketing campaigns and graphics design. Joshua helps to amplify the voice of supply chain here at Supply Chain Now by assisting in graphic design, content creation, asset logistics, and more.  In his free time he likes to read and write short stories as well as watch movies and television series.

Donna Krache

Director of Communications and Executive Producer

Donna Krache is a former CNN executive producer who has won several awards in journalism and communication, including three Peabodys.  She has 30 years’ experience in broadcast and digital journalism. She led the first production team at CNN to convert its show to a digital platform. She has authored many articles for CNN and other media outlets. She taught digital journalism at Georgia State University and Arizona State University. Krache holds a bachelor’s degree in government from the College of William and Mary and a master’s degree in curriculum and instruction from the University of New Orleans. She is a serious sports fan who loves the Braves. She is president of the Dave Krache Foundation. Named in honor of her late husband, this non-profit pays fees for kids who want to play sports but whose parents are facing economic challenges.

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